From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:57:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07578 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:36:34 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07573 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:51 GMT Received: from teachpx12.earth.ox.ac.uk by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:46 GMT From: Phil Cooper <Philip.Cooper@teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk> To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Student eligibility Message-ID: <SIMEON.9712011315.A@teachpx12.earth.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:15 +0000 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Why do we have to penalise student teams with experienced players? The feelings we appear to be getting back here is that people are quite upset about these rules. So the BUF should show some sort of democracy and change them...... (yeah I know not everyone in the BUF has email but I know most of the students do!). Or is there some silent majority out there who aren't speaking up? My point is this, no one yet has totally convinced me as to why we should stop experienced players taking the field in student competitions. OK, so perhaps we want to stop a team winning the champs off the back of two or three experienced players but I don't see that as a problem because the thing is; Ultimate is a team game, you need five [or seven] on the pitch to play. Also in Alex Evans's case there would be no Mwnci See right now because what's the point in setting up a team in Aberystwyth when you can't play anyone as a member of that team? Since you play with a more experienced side in the outdoor season and you're not allowed to play indoors at students, and what's the point of taking a load of beginners the National indoors (no offence guys!). Another thing, Alex's point about "homogeneous swill fests" I think that this is possibly a little harsh but there are two things I want to say about this. The first is what is the point of reducing the overall standard of play in Student champs. But also didn't we just have a big discussion about how sometimes it can be useful to be truly whooped by a team...... I think the rules need to to kept simple because there's a real problem trying to enforce them. For instance take me, I picked up a disc when I got to uni but because of other sporting commitments I only got to one tournament in my first year, and that wasn't as a student. Only this year did I begin playing as a student with the student indoor regionals in Oxford in January, that was my second tournament!!! Where do I draw the line to say that I started playing..... I wouldn't like to even though I know how much I played and when things. If the rules over eligibility are going to involve experience how do we define how long someone has been playing. Or do we just limit the entry to undergrad, or what? The rule if it is to remain needs a tight definition! Even if we do have a tight definition how is it going to be enforced? How will we have any way of checking who's done what, and when? All in all I reckon that the rule about experience is a bad thing because it's a complication to teams, and a barrier to players wanting to play. I know that I'd be annoyed if I couldn't play in a tourney just because I was too experienced. I love tourneys, meeting my friends, and partying hard. But if I couldn't play then I know I wouldn't go because the whole thing would be too frustrating! So all I say to those who make the rules is keep it simple! Yup that's all folks..... Sorry it's such a monster! Phil Cooper (OW!) aka Rocks