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From: "Michael Johnson" <prs2l4mr@pop.prestel.co.uk>
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson)
Date:          Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:17:25 +0000
Subject:       the general nature of whores
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Hi to all,

  Umm...I just arrived here (the UK) and was trying to get into the culture of 
things when I saw this message and I thought I'd just ask a general 
question that pertains to the discussion.  I used to play disc in the 
Midwest and we always used the term "whore" teams to describe a team 
that was thrown together at the tournament site from players that 
just traveled to the tournament without numbers enough to make up a 
squad of their own.  

  In other words, there might be 3 players from team X, one from 
nowhere, and 5 from team Y and together they would form a team.  Or 
maybe the one player would just go and play with an established team 
because there weren't enough whores around to make a whole team of 
them.  So this brings me to my question, Is this not the case here?
Because I was kinda hoping it was in order to get to play in some 
tournaments.

mj

> Date:          Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:35:49 GMT
> To:            britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> From:          D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson)
> Subject:       Re: Into the fray...

> I am excited and interested in the discussions about geo / non-geo teams
> (or telephone teams as we used to call them) and feel compelled to add my
> thoughts to the debate.
> 
> While I agree with Aram's observation about geo teams being the best way to
> develop and foster team strength through regular practice, I find it
> impossible to agree with the effective 'outlawing' of the non-geo team. By
> all means encourage geo teams by explaining the clear benefits in terms of
> training, but do not try to prevent teams who use Ultimate as the vehicle
> which affords them the means to keep in touch with ex-college friends.
> 
> I am acquainted with the USA phenomenon of Ultimate 'whore' teams, but that
> is not the situation here in Britain. The non-geo teams are hardly ever
> formed specifically to win an event (which I know happens in the states).
> The non-geo teams are more closely related to the alumni teams which will
> eventually form the basis of a Masters division.
> 
> If, as Aram has stated, the real path to quality is to form geo teams (with
> appropriate coaching input) - and I do not doubt this - then the non-geo
> teams should soon be pushed down the quality table in the natural course of
> things.
> 
> 
> 
> Switching the subject to the merge / de-merge debate I (not surprisingly,
> perhaps) support Derek's remark about the swallowing up of Regulators by
> the shrinking Hombres squad. I think that the 'geo argument' of Aram's is
> all too convenient an excuse to explain one of (if not THE) most blatant
> examples of 'super-team' formation. I do not wish to sound bitter, but my
> impression of the 'merger' was that it put paid to the most exciting new
> development in British Ultimate for years.
> 
> While I am not saying that de-merger is the best form of growth, I feel
> that it might have been in the sport's best interests (AND in keeping with
> the geo idea), if Shotgun had split into two teams several years ago and
> recruited new local players. This sort of de-merger seems to have happened
> many times in the competitive centres of Ultimate in the USA (am I right,
> Aram?).
> 
> 
> Just some thoughts ...
> 
> Sam Neilson
> 
> Stan (11 year old non-geo team) &
> Suntans (10 year old INTERNATIONAL non-geo team)
> 
> 
> 
>