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From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>
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Subject: RE: RE>Re: Handicapping
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:22:39 +0100
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At the risk of bringing this discussion to an end I would like to pick
up on something Oz said;

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Oz Freire [SMTP:enquiry@designmotive.co.uk]
		Sent:	10 July 1998 09:53
		To:	'Britdisc'
		Subject:	RE>Re: Handicapping


		Alternatively, we could all forget this handicapping
nonsense, go out and practice more, improve our disc skills and give the
top team TIGHTER games.



Don't we already. Hasn't the standards of the top division of the sport
improved, so that if any of the top teams are not playing to the best of
their ability they will lose. Up to two years ago, it was a case of the
tournament was purely to see who would lose to shotgun in the final.
Whilst some would argue that UTI are now in that position I don't feel
they are there yet, They may be the leading team at the moment but
certainly not to extreme of shotgun / hombres. I think that the top
group of teams have caught up Shotgun and as a group have improved. Not
only that but are also being caught by the group just behind.

But we have to appreciate that four every team that enters the tour, who
seriously thinks they have a chance of winning a tour event, there are
four or five teams who are there more for the entertainment factor. They
want to win, but more importantly they want to have fun. These teams
have to be accommodated. It is these younger teams who are expanding the
reaches of the game, bring new players in. (This returns to the previous
discussion about the role of different teams in developing the game -
which I don't want to repeat) 

Instead we have to encourage the teams with tournaments outside the
tour, and do something different by twisting the laws of the game (would
the top teams complain about a two point huck line - something which
only benefits the better team). Any handicapping system would probably
not affect the outcome of the tournament. Any of the top five teams
could easily score against weaker teams with only two players by having
short guy (aram, adam b, adam h, si hill, jeff) huck to tall guy (rog,
richie, lee, paulo, si weeks) who beats people by better disc read and
athleticism. But the point is weak teams enjoy playing top teams and
seeing how the game can be played, they just don't enjoy the stomping
and the piss taking that is usually involved.

A handicapping system, like any involved are going to be far more
effective at equalising the bottom and middle teams, and also bridging
the gap between the middle and top teams, no system is ever going to
accommodate the gap between the 1st seed and 32nd seed of a tour event.

There appears to be some doubt as to whether people would be interested
in playing in such a tournament. Let me know your interest level please
(personally - not on britdisc).

Cheers, Chris