From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 21:38:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA27780 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:27:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27775 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:27:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807152027.VAA27775@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 23421 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1998 20:26:59 -0000 Received: from userb731.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.83.206) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 20:26:59 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:39:28 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It is a bit vicious Ben. Just because you live by the ethics of "we find players, not pinch them from other teams" doesn't mean every body else should. UTI have come on loads in a short time and whatever means they did it by (as long as they are legal) shouldn't matter, its just nice to see a new team. If every Uni team that graduated started two or three teams between them it would improve the player base of the sport no end. Do your comments about not pinching the good players mean you wouldn't accept good young players intrested in RED. From what I've seen it seems certain teams (RED, Druids) are on there way down, or at least have not done as well as they had expected to do on this years tour. RED could easily pinch some of the young talent that attended the Leicester League and develope them into great players (some of the Sunz and Tom Webbs Juniors he brought along are good players that just need some working to become really good). Most of them live within "geo" team range of Leicester, would you stick by your policies and not take on these kind of players. I think we shouldn't be arguing about how teams are formed, as long as they keep coming and the sport isn't damaged. To be honest "geo" teams like RED, first Touch and Gun will be the teams that fight it out in future as regular practice will win over natural talent. Thats enough from me for the moment, keep talking, Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com ---------- > From: Andrew Tucker <andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk> > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice > Date: 15 July 1998 17:38 > > On 15 Jul 98, at 14:38, Ben Ravilious wrote: > > > I agree. As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on > > skimming the cream (or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not > > happen. > > Ben, I hate to say it so bluntly, but I'm afraid once again you are > talking crap. Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three > years ago, most of its team having played and graduated at > Warwick together. As players at the time, we were not widely > known, but due to ambition, hard work and perseverance we have > improved to form what is still the core of a tour winning team. Of > course a few extra players have joined along the way and a few > have left, but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. To > be honest I don't want anyones cream, especially if it's from Gun or > Druids! > > I know the histories of Catch and Chevy are pretty similar, with the > core > of their teams being based on old Leeds and Manchester Uni > teams. > > > I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this country. > > On the contrary I hope more players will go on to form their own > new teams, using UTI, Catch and Chevron as examples of what > can be achieved. > > > Whilst > > the levelling of the playing field has been welcome in terms of putting > > life into the championships your team's existance does nothing for the > > development of the sport. > > Well I'm sorry you feel like that. It would seem to me that the depth > and > standard of UK ultimate has incresed dramatically over the last few > years, > in part I would hope to teams such as ourselves. Perhaps it would > be > better if we go back a few years to when any good Uni player was > immediately snatched up by either Gun or Druids, rather than going > on to > form a new team of their own. > > > > I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon > > the ability to practice together will win through. > > This is the only bit of sense you've written, practice and hard work > are > obviously crucial to any successful team. > > > Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it > > seems. > > You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to play with > Red I wonder? > > > Ben > > > > Up the revolution! > > (don't flame us - we'll flame you!) > > Five tour events and I'm still waiting.... > > Keep smiling, > Andy - Under-the-Influence >