From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:19:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA29159 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29154 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807172103.WAA29154@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18499 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1998 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from userp008.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.91.7) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 21:03:55 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Tag-teams for all I care! Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:13:39 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk > > both handicapping and "forcing" teams to be geocentric are two of the > > most abhorrent suggestions I've heard in a long time. > > But they're both new, and prompting thoughts and discussion, as well as > the occaisional blast of sarcasm, gags and negative opinion... it's good to explore new avenues. FIFA are still altering Football over a 100 years after the sport was concieved. > Maybe you can point out the problems which I (and so many others?) have > missed in my musings... I can mention one reason why I would not like the Handicap system. although I consider myself and OK player I still play at Junior level and for my own Junior team, we did manage to play at Tour 1 with the assistance of Petroleum in Aberdeen. We got wasted and lie bottom of the Tour rankings. When we played Catch in our group game we lost 13 - 2. It was suggested way back at the begining of this debate if the Sunz (my team) played UTI what kind of handicap would be applied, and an 8 - 0 head start was suggested. The problem I see is that could lead to UTI winning say 13 - 10, this would look like a close game but in truth we still got wasted. We would also find it very patronising, we would rather lose than someone telling us "here you go have a head start". Teams judge their ability by how well they do against a team for example, we lost 13 - 2 to Catch, the next day we lost something like 13 - 9 against fingers 6, this told us that we were of roughly the level fingers, it helped us understand what kind of gap we should be aiming to cross to become a good team, once handicaps start being placed on games it can become very difficult to seperate teams. I hope that made sense :-) > Unhappy with the evolution? When I'm such an active part of it? > I think good things are happening. > I'm just wondering about situations that *might* appeal, and suggesting > "one-off" testers... I think it's good to be testing ideas and talking about them. Some of the ideas might be far fetched (like the disscusion about TV coverage that was had by the developement group) but others are worth persuing. I like the idea of testing the "two point line" rule, and possibly going into a high powered tournament with prize money and refs. I don't know if i'd want to see any of these things at every event but it would be nice to see how things unfold with such rule changes. > I was under the impression that we were batting around some *ideas*, > "testing the waters", "assessing reactions", cliche, cliche, etc... With the mention of batting about some ideas I have one. How about an event where there are say 16 teams. The teams are chosen by individuals picked by the event organiser. These 16 individuals are from different locations around the country eg. Leicester, London (North/South), Leeds, Southampton, Bristol etc. Each of these captains has to pick a team for the event but they can only pick players that live (for students it would be their home address) within say 30 miles of the captain. Thus the Tournament would be a geo tournament, every team based within a 30 mile radius. The games should also be very close as all the teams should have a mix of good and bad (poorer:-) players (except maybe the London teams). It would certainly be a good event, and I'd be happy to attend one if someone organised it :-) Thats enough from me for the moment, i'll leave you all to discuss. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com