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From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>
To: "'Taylor, Ruth (Bass PLC)'" <Ruth.Taylor@bass.com>
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Subject: RE: Indoor Regionals
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:11:46 -0000 
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The reason for the format change in the now so called regionals really came
about because last year no-one in the south-east region organised a
qualifying competition. I could foresee this happening again. In organising
regionals I need to get a sensible number of teams to each qualifying
tournament to make it financially viable to run (why should a TD foot a
200gbp loss to allow you to play?) So if I have fewer tournaments then they
are cheaper and people don't complain about the cost. But then they start
complaining about how far they have to travel, and why can't they go to
another regions tournament because it's a more suitable weekend - so now you
have free choice. This is also complicated by determining the location of
indoor teams - some are spread over a number of regions, some are close to
the edge of a region, eg - Oxford; traditionally in the South-west region
would have to travel for five hours to Plymouth instead of the 45 mins to
MK. Now you have free choice. I will also be allocating the qualifying slots
- before this weekend the first qualifying tournament - depending on
tournament size and relative strength. Eg (and this is just an example - not
finalised yet) Plymouth has 12 teams - they get 3 slots; MK has 24 teams -
they get six slots since they have twice as many teams, Scot, 16 teams - 4
slots, North 24 teams - 6 slots. That makes 19 qualifying slots. Nationals
can cope with 24 teams, so I am left with 5 slots to award to the different
regions based on their relative strength - so you have an equal chance of
qualifying in which ever region.

Yes, you could go to Plymouth and see if you can increase your chances of
qualifying, but irrelevant of how the system works there will never be an
equal strength in regions. All the teams in the MK tournament are reasonably
local (i.e. don't have a closer tournament). I would like to have held
traditional regional events - but that can't happen if very few people (4)
can be bother to organise a tournament. 

Chris
DoC

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Taylor, Ruth (Bass PLC) [SMTP:Ruth.Taylor@bass.com]
	Sent:	3 March 1999 15:11
	To:	'HUGHES, Chris'
	Subject:	Indoor Regionals

	Chris,

	Just a little question!!

	Why has the format for the Indoor Regionals been changed?

	The reason for this question is this:

	We (RED) have put a team in to the Milton Keynes regional because we
felt it
	was probably the easiest to get to from our nice central position.
However,
	when I say, "we (RED)" I'm not talking about our RED first team, I
am
	talking about a team of similar standard as has been fielded so far
this
	season, made up of a couple of first team players, but also a few
beginners.

	Now, I know that this team cannot expect to qualify for the
Nationals under
	normal circumstances, but having seen the line-up for the MK
tournament, our
	chances are even smaller, I would even go as far as to say that we
would
	probably get shat on from a great height by almost every team on
there. 
	"Where's the problem?" I hear you ask.
	Well, there wasn't really one, until I saw the line-up for the
Plymouth
	qualifier, and it has to be said,  that we would have a much bigger
hope of
	getting a few points on the board and probably even winning a few
(no
	disrespect to those teams intended) if we had entered this
tournament
	instead. I know we would certainly enjoy that tournament more, even
if we
	still couldn't qualify, because there is nothing fun about losing in
such a
	way as is likely in MK.
	Next year, if the format stays the same, I will definitely be
considering
	changing the tournament we enter (I thought about it for this one
too, I
	dunno how possible it would be having already entered) in order to
avoid
	playing all the big teams. I don't know if anyone else has spotted
this
	flaw, but if they do, it will end up being separate tournaments for
each
	standard as people cotton on to the fact that they have a better
chance of
	qualification at an event further away, therefore making the
qualifiers a
	bit of a farce and the Nationals not a true a representation of the
best
	teams. I think it will be like that anyway this year to be honest. I
realise
	that you will allocate places taking this into account, but you
can't not
	allocate places to teams in a particular qualifier can you?!
	 
	Also what will the winners of each qualifier be? It used to be that
they
	were Regional Champions, this can't be the case now.

	Ruth
	(RED)