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From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>
To: "'Dave Neilson'" <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
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Subject: RE: Fw: drop the pull
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:12:32 -0000
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My feeling is with Sam's - that this pushes the balance of power further to
the receiving team without giving the team that pulls any pay back. I
appreciate the sentiments behind the whole concept; try and prevent that
dead space between the time of the pull and a receiver ambling to the disc
allowing the offensive team to set up its play. But I think the turnover
rule as suggested by Sam is a bit harsh. I preferred the 'rumoured' rule
that was going to be enforced; that if the pull landed in, and stayed in the
pitch / endzone - then it had to be played from where it landed / caught,
and could not be walked forward to the endzone line. This would encourage
teams to put good pulls that land inbounds, and stay inbounds - i.e. did not
roll out. Whilst encouraging teams to catch the disc and play. One assumes
that if you make a mess of a catch and drop it, then a good defence would be
on you by the time you pick it up!

Chris Hughes
(expressing his opinions as an individual)

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Dave Neilson [SMTP:D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk]
	Sent:	12 March 1999 09:36
	To:	britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
	Subject:	Re: Fw: drop the pull

	I think it is another watering down of what the more mature players
know as
	REAL Ultimate - just to pander to the weaker new players who cannot
catch
	(let alone throw). Some history...

	Have you ever noticed the chorus of "TWO HANDS!" when someone drops?
This
	is a throwback to when they first weakened the rules to allow
players to
	catch with both hands - up until then, you HAD TO catch with ONE
hand and
	the habit was hard to break. When they changed the rules, teams
adopted the
	strategy of verbal reinforcement whenever the disc was in the air
and
	heaven help any player who didn't heed the reminder ... the
tradition
	continues!

	Going back to the 'pull' rules - they ought to insist that if the
disc
	lands in the receiving team's endzone, then they immediately lose
	possession, thus forcing that team to make the catch. Pulls short of
the
	endzone can be left to land without penalty. This would properly
reward
	decent pulls and add excitement to the start of every point!

	Just some Friday morning thoughts ...

	Cheers,

	Sam.

	Tammo writes:
	>Still, as someone who has gone through the humiliating experience
before,
	>I'd miss the thrill that comes with every pull heading my way...
	>I can only agree with Si, the old rule should stay, not just for
the comedy
	>value of seeing someone else screw up.
	>
	>After all, mistakes must be punished.

	and Si Hill wrote:
	>>2.  I would like to formally (how do I do that?) ask the BUF to go
back to
	>>the WFDF Ultimate committee to re-instate the dropped-pull rule.
This is a
	>>brilliant rule.  And I speak as a player who is usually on the
wrong-end of
	>>it!