From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 26 16:04:45 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02701 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:03:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02694 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:03:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.eaglestar.co.uk (gatekeeper.eaglestar.co.uk [192.147.228.29]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21284 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:03:17 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.eaglestar.co.uk id AA00346 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:56:41 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.eaglestar.co.uk (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:56:41 +0100 From: "James Hewitson" <James.Hewitson@zurich.co.uk> To: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>, <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Drug Influenced Ultimate Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:01:21 +0100 Message-Id: <01bea788$9d8a4cf0$0814010a@4000000e5059> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The implication from Hughes comments is that the only way to get Ultimate recognized is to become more like every other mainstream sport (exactly the opposite reason that the vast majority of people begin playing). When I meet new people and tell them what I do with my weekends they do often think I'm slightly insane but when I explain to them properly about what the game involves and how much commitment the very serious players have they are 99 times out of 100 very interested in knowing more. As an Ultimate player I enjoy knowing that we're different from other sports-people - just because we don't get TV coverage or have some local business paying for our T-shirts doesn't cause me sleepless nights. I play Ultimate to enjoy myself, to meet up with my friends and to compete in a friendly and spirited atmosphere and I say lets keep it that way. Balti BAF 34 -----Original Message----- From: HUGHES, Chris <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; 'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk' <M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk> Date: 26 May 1999 15:38 Subject: RE: Drug Influenced Ultimate >Expanding the issue here to cover a larger are still raises the point - as >Ultimate players something is going to be sacrificed to promote the game >further for public awareness. This may be drug references (and use) to >promote a squeaky clean image (just like rugby!). We may have to change the >game, ie referees; local leagues instead of tournaments. Separate divisions >at events. The ethos and social aspect of the game may change as sponsorship >forces players to change their behavior on and off pitch, the player base >means that you won't be playing and seeing your friends from other teams. >Players may be forced to play for their closest teams etc. The possible >outcomes from pushing the promotion of the sport may have big beneficial >changes to the sport and individuals - but some aspects will also suffer; >how much are people prepared to give up. Or are you happy in the knowledge >that every one new who you speak to thinks the only reason you were able to >represent your country is because you are the only one who plays that silly >little sport, and you just weren't good enough to compete at >rugby/football/hockey/netball* (*insert sport of their choice here) > >Chris Hughes >(my opinions only) >(not DoC) > > > >> ---------- >> From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk[SMTP:M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk] >> Sent: 26 May 1999 15:09 >> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk >> Subject: re: Drug Influenced Ultimate >> >> Briefly, it's a little short-sighted to think that team names stand in the >> way of Ultimate sponsorship. IMHO it's more likely to be something to do >> with the actice player base of 2000 (and that's only the "official" >> figure) >> the state of public ignorance, media dissinterest (or at best, >> ambivalnce). >> Marketable Ultimate is a long way off and yes, making a token sacrifice of >> individual teams names is draconian. Where do you stop? Anybody dislike >> Red's communist allusions? And besides, if you want to address "drugs" in >> sport, teams names are the least of your worries. Open up that particular >> can of worms at your perril. >> >> Mark >> Hyperextension-Hyperflexion Injury >>