From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 28 16:53:53 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11615 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:52:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11590 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:52:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13531 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:52:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <LS2ALKCH>; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:56:46 -0700 Message-ID: <150C5D516A43D211A5EF00A0C99D758FE28536@ca-exchange3.nai.com> From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Drugs and draconian measures Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:51:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 3 serious points: 1 - In the internal world of Ultimate names don't matter, but to others, they do. However, outsiders like the fact that we don't call ourselves "sensible" names. 2 - Si is right - one of the biggest things that would stop Ultimate being seen as a fringe sport is referees. I don't agree with having referees, I think that observers is a step in the wrong direction, but every outsider I have spoken to has said things like "that means you can get away with a lot of stuff!", and immediately has an image of fouls happening at every verse end. 3 - It is possible to promote a sport from the ground up, by getting schools etc to play. One of the clearest examples of this is Korfball, which enjoys a player base similar to ours, but has sponsorship etc, and when played at international level, has the backing of the sports council. Although it is not televised, and is a "minority" sport in the UK, it has a very large following in Holland and Poland, and is televised there regularly (about every 3 months or so iirc). The question that I have is - do we care if Ultimate is seen as a major sport in the UK? It is possible to have the things that we want (sponsorship, recognition etc.) without it, and if we can promote good SOTG as the core of Ultimate, then that is what makes the sport different. Cads - living in the states, working way too hard, and not playing due to injury. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon] [SMTP:Colin.Wagstaff@eulergroup.com] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 7:09 AM > To: 'Paul Hurt'; BritDisc > Subject: RE: Drugs and draconian measures > > BTW, if you really want to help promote Ultimate as a "serious" > sport, a > good start would be to simply erase the word "Frisbee" from your > vocabulary! (Just Say "Disc"). > > In Queensland, Australia, they do not use the 'frisbee' term, > everything is referred to disc this, and disc that. The Aussie Nationals > shirts and discs are all printed up with the 1999 Australian Ultimate Disc > Championships on them. Not surprisingly, the tournament attracted a fair > amount of local sponsorship, not however without a great deal of work by > the > organisers. > > Perhaps Paul is right, getting into local community sponsorship by > promoting Ultimate as a disc (not Frisbee) sport may actually help. > > However, they do have teams named, Go Deep, Return of the Red Eye & > Feral, which don't exactly conjure up completely respectable thoughts do > they. > > Anyway enough of referring to UTI - Under the Influence. We are > under the influence of everything and everyone, not just those drugs, > legal > or otherwise. > > Back to work.......another drug????? > > Colin.