From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 29 00:17:08 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01452 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:15:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01366 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:15:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09650 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:15:19 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 22079 invoked from network); 28 May 1999 23:15:05 -0000 Received: from userl288.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.74.101) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 May 1999 23:15:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bea95f$ea53cba0$654a95c1@default> Reply-To: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Drugs and draconian measures Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:14:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Oakley, Caedman <caedman_oakley@nai.com> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: 28 May 1999 16:54 Subject: RE: Drugs and draconian measures >3 serious points: > >1 - In the internal world of Ultimate names don't matter, but to others, >they do. However, outsiders like the fact that we don't call ourselves >"sensible" names. I agree. Though it would not hurt for new teams to think a little more carefully when picking names. >2 - Si is right - one of the biggest things that would stop Ultimate being >seen as a fringe sport is referees. I don't agree with having referees, I >think that observers is a step in the wrong direction, but every outsider I >have spoken to has said things like "that means you can get away with a lot >of stuff!", and immediately has an image of fouls happening at every verse >end. I think Ultimate could manage without referees if it reaches a more public level. But I see some kind officials being inevitable if the game wants to keep growing. A system like the Callahan rules, where observers make a decision if the two players involved cannot agree in a short time, would work well as it keeps the game going and still puts an emphasis on spirit. >3 - It is possible to promote a sport from the ground up, by getting schools >etc to play. One of the clearest examples of this is Korfball, which enjoys >a player base similar to ours, but has sponsorship etc, and when played at >international level, has the backing of the sports council. Although it is >not televised, and is a "minority" sport in the UK, it has a very large >following in Holland and Poland, and is televised there regularly (about >every 3 months or so iirc). I cannot see why British Ultimate could not do more work with schools. As far as I see it all it needs is one or two individuals that could give up one evening a week to coach a Junior Ultimate session. The coach could contact several local schools and make it open too all children in the area. Just ten people doing this nation-wide would double the number of junior clubs and increase the number of players starting before University. >The question that I have is - do we care if Ultimate is seen as a major >sport in the UK? It is possible to have the things that we want >(sponsorship, recognition etc.) without it, and if we can promote good SOTG >as the core of Ultimate, then that is what makes the sport different. That is up to the general Ultimate public of the UK. Should the sport be considered major? I believe it could gain quite a high profile without sacrificing the ideals of SOTG. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com >Cads - living in the states, working way too hard, and not playing due to >injury. > >