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Comments on comments, from across the water.
At 08:39 PM 6/8/99 +0100, Chris Gibbs wrote:
>> PLAYER: How could the BUF ever afford to pay salaries?
>>
>> BUF: By becoming an association with individual membership just like other
>> countries (e.g. the UPA in America.)
>>
>
>Why is there a connection being made between the way the BUF is structured
and
>its ability to pay salaries? Surely the ability to pay salaries is dependent
>only on income.
>
And income is dependent only on structure.
>>
>> ... Individual membership would increase the work of the administrator but
>> the benefits of having proper contact with every player in the country
would
>> make it worthwhile. The organisation would be able to communicate properly
>> with all players and the opportunities for starting new teams and helping
>> special interest groups (e.g. women or juniors) would be huge. Rostering of
>> teams would become a lot easier with a proper national database of players.
>
>....similarly, is it not possible to keep a database of players and keep in
>contact with them without changing to individual membership?
I would think it may be possible, but only the resources provided by going
to individual membership make it truly feasible.
>
>> PLAYER: What would we get for our money?
>>
>> BUF: Most important of all is a regular newsletter posted to all members.
>> Other individual benefits could include individual personal accident
>> insurance and cheap discs.
>>
>
>I actually think that this is similar to a very important question: What do
>players actually *want* from the BUF (or whatever it might become)?
>Personally, I could happily live without a printed copy of Ultimatum. I
have no
>need for insurance (famous last words?!), and discs aren't that expensive are
>they?
>The one thing that I would want from the BUF is information:
>Details of tournaments and details of other players (nothing too personal!).
>The cost of maintaining the information base and publishing it (using
emails and
>www to keep it low?) is perhaps where our money should go.
>
Printed copy or not, you need someone to write Ultimatum. As an American, I
read the printed copy of the UPA newsletter cover to cover, and its huge. I
would also read an electronic version, but both take time, resources, and
money.
In the states, insurance is not for the individual players, its for the
tournament organizers, so they are not liable for injuries that occur.
Almost never needed, but it gives organizers one less thing to worry about,
and can be extremely useful in time of need.
>> ... Clearly the association would have to make sure that players at
>> official tournaments were all fully paid members. With the increasing
>> requirement for team rosters at tournaments it would be difficult for
people
>> to slip the net. In any case, we think most players would want to become
>> members in order to receive the benefits mentioned above.
>
>I personally think that this is a little naive. If you fancy playing for a
team
>at a tournament, would there really be anything stopping you from doing so?
>
A lot. In the US, rosters are closely monitored at important tournaments to
insure players don't change teams, even from tournament to tournament.
Sure, unknown players can jump around w/ no one noticing, but if Paulo
decides to play for UTI after Catch is out of the finals, people would notice.
>>
>> PLAYER: What about students and junior players who cannot afford individual
>> membership?
>>
>> BUF: It may be best to let these groups continue under the current team
>> affiliation set-up. Apart from anything else, trying to keep in contact
with
>> individual student members would be very difficult. One idea might be to
>> give these groups a bit more autonomy from the main national organisation.
>> This is beginning to happen quite naturally now anyway as student ultimate
>> becomes larger and more organised whilst the non-student teams are playing
>> at a higher level.
>
>Are we not at risk of introducing more complication if there is a different
>administration style for junior/student teams to that for other teams....and
>what if you're a (cliched) 'poor student' and you want to play for an open
team?
>
>Finally, with regard to paying fees, isn't it logical that you pay
according to
>how much involvement you have. Some players may only play in say two/three
>tournaments a year. Would £25 for this (and the newsletter telling them about
>tournaments they didn't go to) appeal?
In the US, you can pay a small fee ($10?) to play in a single UPA
tournament, or a $25 fee to join for the year. (Many other tounaments are
simply team fee, and don't even require rosters, so individual players can
virtually play for free.)
Stephen Young
Currently Pocomoke, formerly Gun, permanently Happy
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