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From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" <Colin.Wagstaff@eulergroup.com>
To: "'matthew.lowe'" <matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com>
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Subject: RE: National teams: a reply to Sammy
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This (Akita 2001) will undoubtedly be discussed at length at the BUF AGM
(Presumably being held on Sat night of Eastbourne as per previous years?).  

Participation in the World Games is a great opportunity for WFDF and the
BUF/BUA alike, but there is a lot to discuss with regards the BUF's aims and
how they/we are going to achieve those over the next two years or so.
Therefore, I would urge anyone who is interested or has an opinion on Akita
to attend the BUF AGM (whenever it may be).

Rafi and Sammy and anyone else for that matter may continue to discuss the
Open and Womens teams for next year but the overall plan for GB in respect
of all five divisions needs to be developed as a whole if GB are to be
represented at the World Games.

I attended the WFDF congress meeting recently held in St. Andrews during
World Clubs (No BUF officer did although I believe they were all at the
tournament), where the organisers for the Disc Sports (there's Golf as well
as Ultimate) at the World Games were present and they have some interesting
views on how to run the tournament within the constraints given.  There has
been much discussion in WFDF in how to best use the time and allocation and
indeed on how to select countries to be represented.  These have now been
pretty much fixed and it is clear GB does have a realistic chance of being
represented in 2001.  However this will not happen unless the teams in all
divisions we send to WUGC in 2000 are the best possible.  

I trust some BUF type person can mail anyone who's interested the qualifying
criteria, if not I have a paper copy from the meeting and all the details
for Akita (flash brochure, schedule, selection process etc).

Colin.
UTI.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	matthew.lowe [SMTP:matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com]
	Sent:	Friday, August 27, 1999 8:15 AM
	To:	britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
	Subject:	Re: National teams: a reply to Sammy

	On a similar theme. The World Games in 2001 have been mentioned
several
	times before, but no one has said if the BUF are interested in
trying to
	qualify a British national team. As far as I can tell we would have
to
	finish in the top 4 of 3 of the divisions at worlds next year (I
think), and
	if there was interest in entering a team then this current
discussion on
	squad selection techniques deserves more attention. Is it a
realistic aim,
	getting into the top 4? I believe so, I also believe an appearance
at the
	world games by a GB team would be great publicity for the sport in
this
	country. That's my pennies worth,

	Matt


	----- Original Message -----
	From: rafael freire <raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk>
	To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
	Sent: 27 August 1999 08:55
	Subject: National teams: a reply to Sammy


	> Sammy aired a question about a week ago- whether a
	> strenghthened club team should represent GB as the
	> national team- which received some responses but his
	> point was largely missed.
	>
	> The idea that a strengthened club team should represent
	> GB, as Sam is well aware, has been around for quite a
	> while. It arose largely due to poor performances by
	> national teams. Many (I'll come clean, myself included)
	> thought these poor performances were due to the national
	> teams not having continuity, cohesion and lacking
	> experience of competition at the appropriate level. There
	> is little doubt that the top club teams posses these three
	> components, hence the idea that the best club side
	> (albeit strenghthened) should represent GB was developed
	> (I'll come clean again, it wasn't me) . How this idea
	> could be implemented is, as Ian Stebbings pointed out, in
	> need of further thought.
	>
	> So here's my answer to Sammy:
	>
	> Open: I don't think sending a strengthened club team to
	> worlds would be a good idea at the momment. In my view
	> none of the current top teams have sufficient ability or
	> know-how to form the core of a national team. All of the
	> top three have strengths for building solid teams, but
	> then they also have glaring weaknesses. Choosing one team
	> to form the core would discard the strengths of the other
	> teams, without addressing its particular weaknesses. Had
	> this question been asked in the early to middle days of
	> shotgun (4-5 years ago), the answer would have been very
	> different.
	>
	> On the plus side, I think the open division has skilled
	> players that can do well at international level. Its just
	> a question of deciding who they are and how they should be
	> put together to form a team.
	>
	> Women: As I'm not part of the women's scene, I have no
	> idea whatsoever how they could form a strong national
	> team, though they clearly have talented players. Perhaps
	> some of the players concerned would like to offer their
	> views?
	>
	> Rafi (22)
	>
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