From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 14:28:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08521 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:25:02 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08220 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:24:28 GMT Received: from mail-gw1 (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17440 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:24:26 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool1-pri1-017.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.163.147]) by mail-gw1 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01891 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:30:50 GMT Message-ID: <000a01bf3a76$5dbd4420$93a392c3@pii266> From: "Ben Ravilious" <bravil@webleicester.co.uk> To: "BRITDISC" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Census! Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:30:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tim Agree totally. Next years 'national' events (indoor regionals/finals + Tour & nationals) will have more rigourous rostering. This will be done via the BUF website to save everyone hassle (I'm working on it now). The rosters could be extended to become a census I guess. As a one-off we could ask teams to list *every* player rather than just those who are playing in national events. Without this information it would be impossible to budget for any proposed changes to the structure of our organisation (I'm talking individual membership and a paid admin - am I boring you yet?!) As you pointed out there are all sorts of benefits to be gained from knowing about the player base. One of the key benefits of individual membership would be (snore...zzzz!) the ability to keep track of players who move house, change jobs, graduate, etc ,etc. We must lose loads of players just because they end up somewhere without a local team. For those of you experiencing deja vu, read Britdisc article 2121 and its thread - we've talked about this before. See the Britdisc archive at http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/BritDisc/ Ben -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Rogers <trogers@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: 29 November 1999 10:25 Subject: Census! Hello all, Ultimate is growing faster than ever before. Ro-Sham-Bo has had approximately 100 new people turn up this year, and between 50 and 60 have continued playing. If one was to extrapolate these numbers over the established student clubs, and add all the people from new University teams, British Ultimate could have grown by between 500 and 1000 people in the last few months. The Edinburgh Beginners tournament of 32 teams was hugely oversubscribed. Assuming 6 beginners per side (v. conservative) that would mean that there were at least 200 new players at this tournament alone. Furthermore many of the clubs could have produced at least one more team. Bearing in mind this growth (which may not be linear!), I think that British Ultimate needs to conduct a census for the following reasons: 1) To accurately count the numbers playing ultimate in this country. 2) To see what groups of people are leaving ultimate. 3) To establish what teams are forming and breaking up, thereby reducing the number of people left without a team. 4) Establish whether ultimate needs restructuring. Should we set up leagues with divisions, then play tournaments along lines of which league one is a part of? Do we class tournaments, as serious, fun, improvers etc. How does womens only and coed fit in? 5) Evaluate what sort of BUF ultimate can afford to support. Any thoughts? Tim RSB Soup