From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 10:21:07 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13260 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:20 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13243 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:16 GMT Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14055 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:16 GMT Received: from p110-harc1-kirklees2.tch.dtn.ntl.com ([194.168.245.185] helo=user) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 11tpiT-0000Uh-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000001bf3d77$efc91ac0$a69cfea9@user> From: "Matthew Lowe" <matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <199912022104.VAA11465@haymarket.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Objectives of Census Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is for anyone who has an idea of what the BUSA is looking for. Would a census help convince the BUSA to make the BUF a member? I mean if we could show them hard evidence of how many universities have teams and how many student players there are. Would this also help with Sports Council recognition? Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Rogers <trogers@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:03 PM Subject: Objectives of Census > Andy, > > > what do you actually want to find out? > At the very least: > > 1) How many people play ultimate. > 2) Where people live. > 3) What team they play for. > > Can add to this to find stuff like age, how many tournys go to etc. > Whether they are prepared to subscribe to the BUA. > > >how do you intend distributing it? > The BUF can store the data, peoples addresses etc. Any > statistical results from the census can be put on the BUF home page. > > >It might give you a very specific > >picture of the state of Ultimate at the moment, but won't tell you > >anything about why people leave the sport. > > I don't agree. By looking at data over successive years, one can > determine which groups of people are leaving the sport. Stuff like: > age, just left university, if people have moved to areas where there > is no ultimate, break up and reforming of teams etc. > > >- what do you intend doing with it? > At the moment, many people who leave university or move to a new area > end up without a team. Through the BUF they can find out who plays > in their local area, or anywhere else for that matter. The main task > is to make sure everyone who wants to continue playing ultimate can > play ultimate. > > Monitor the growth of ultimate. As I said in my previous emails the > growth at the moment is larger than ever. If we don't reorganise > then British ultimate as it is currently structured (I mean > implicit as well as explicit structure) will not be able to cope. > The net result will probably just be that the sport will not grow. > > >are any of the clubs or BUF in a position to change the > >organisation,motivation, recruitment, etc? > > I don't see why clubs and the BUF are not in a position to change the > organisation. As for motivation, I can only say that if you want to > go to party you have to have a party! There are some who won't > bother, but there are plenty of people more motivated. > > Finally, I think we have to careful not to make a 'mountain > out of a molehill'. Its not something that needs to be done > professionally to target a particular market. However, there is a > cost incurred in the data entry, as we cannot expect members of the > BUF to sit up in the small hours and type in details of 2000 odd > ultimate players. > > Tim > > RSB > Soup > Tim Rogers > PhD Student > Manufacturing Planning Group > School of Mechanical Engineering > University of Edinburgh > email: trogers@srv1.mech.ac.uk