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From: David Trovell <david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk>
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: FW: Goaltimate
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:15:39 -0000
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Flores, Aram [SMTP:aflores@lehman.com]
> Sent:	11 January 2000 11:12
> To:	'David Trovell'
> Subject:	RE: Goaltimate
> 
> I just know some details because when I went to my brother wedding last
> summer half the guests had just come from the first tourney.  
> 
> Apparently some guy (a promoter) put up his own money to organise the
> tourney.  The logic behind Goaltimate goes something like this:
> 
> 1. 5 a side - with two subs taken without stoppage (like ice hockey) - 5
> players are cheaper than 7.
> 2. 5 players assures more "stars"
> 3. Goaltimate is more TV friendly as the action is concentrated near the
> goal (easier to film).
> 4. The UPA, being committee run, is crap at selling its video's
> 5. This promoter will end up 'owning' the sport - something like that rich
> bugger who owns F1
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	David Trovell [SMTP:david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk]
> > Sent:	11 January 2000 11:00
> > To:	'Flores, Aram'
> > Subject:	RE: Goaltimate
> > 
> > Aram,
> > Do you know why ESPN bought it? Is it easier to film effectively or
> better
> > as a spectator sport? Maybe they just had a good saleman or a contact.
> > I'm amazed they can get this sport up and running and on TV so quickly
> > when
> > Ultimate has always struggled.
> > You are now the offical expert on Goaltimate!!
> > Dave
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Flores, Aram [SMTP:aflores@lehman.com]
> > > Sent:	11 January 2000 10:44
> > > To:	BritDisc
> > > Subject:	RE: Goaltimate
> > > 
> > > Very simple really......They pay people!
> > > 
> > > I know for the San Diego tournament last year the organisers paid for
> > all
> > > competitors to fly to San Diego, hotels, food, beer, and $20,000 in
> > prize
> > > money.  They then sold the footage of the tournament to ESPN.  All the
> > > players invited are well known Ultimate players.  
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Matthew Lowe [SMTP:matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com]
> > > > Sent:	11 December 1999 10:29
> > > > To:	BritDisc
> > > > Subject:	Re: Goaltimate
> > > > 
> > > > I hope you all don't mind me bothering you with this but I have a
> > > question
> > > > about Goaltimate.
> > > > 
> > > > I understand that it is very similar to ultimate and the list of
> teams
> > > > (and
> > > > some individuals) below even make it look like a list for an
> ultimate
> > > > tournament (DOG, Godiva, Sub-Zero and Condors are all ultimate teams
> > as
> > > > far
> > > > as I know). And I have always been under the impresion that
> goaltimate
> > > was
> > > > not that big in comparison to ultimate, this leads to my question
> > > > 
> > > > Why is Goaltimate getting so much press and why are its tournaments
> > > being
> > > > shown on ESPN (one of the biggest sports channels in the world)?
> > > > 
> > > > I hope someone has an answer for me,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Matt
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Wayne Retter <postmaster@phidelta.demon.co.uk>
> > > > To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 8:24 PM
> > > > Subject: Goaltimate
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems that Colin Wagstaff (of UTI fame) has joined the Feral
> > > > > Goaltimate squad for a trip to the USA!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's amazing what some people will for the chance to be on TV!
> > > > >
> > > > > Wayne
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > rec.sport.disc, Rick Conner <info@goaltimate.com> writes
> > > > > >Here are the teams & rosters for the upcoming Phase II:
> Goaltimate
> > > > > >Invitational tournament.  The tournament will take place at the
> > Palm
> > > > > >Beach Polo & Country Club, West Palm Beach, Florida, February
> 12th
> > &
> > > > > >13th, 2000.  ESPN will be there to cover the tournament.  We will
> > > also
> > > > > >have up to date coverage on our web site
> > (http://www.goaltimate.com)
> > > > > >over the tournament weekend.  More information to come.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >          Phase II: Goaltimate Invitational Tournament
> > > > > >                       TEAMS & ROSTERS
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                    West Palm Beach, Florida
> > > > > >                   February 12th & 13th, 2000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                        WOMEN'S DIVISION
> > > > > >
> > > > > >San Francisco - Fury                   San Diego - Arch Rivals
> > > > > >Cathy Erickson - Captain               Shar Stuht - Captain
> > > > > >Dominque Fontenette                    Wende Pinz
> > > > > >Jennifer Donnelly                      Amy Duggan
> > > > > >Andrea Johnson                         Jennifer Scott
> > > > > >Maya Conrad                            Beth Thomas
> > > > > >Amy Jean Little                                Laura Ingebritsen
> > > > > >Stacey Scheomehl                       Kara Ferguson
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Portland - Dawls                       Gainesville - Spinsters
> > > > > >Tray C. Satterfield - Captain          Kellie Diehl - Captain
> > > > > >Deana McMurrer                         Deanna King
> > > > > >Dara Bailey                            Susan Bridges
> > > > > >Sarah Welsh                            Clea Lauriault
> > > > > >Linda Scheffler                                Marta Puyana
> > > > > >Jody Dozono                            Tanya Lopez
> > > > > >Sharleen Kamin                         Mellissa Warren
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Seattle - Riot                         Santa Barbara - Condors
> > > > > >Rene' Alexander - Captain              Rachel Noble - Captain
> > > > > >Abbi Nilssen                           Margaret Thomas
> > > > > >Vida Towne                             Danielle Zacherl
> > > > > >Mary Jorgenson                         Jill Van Wie
> > > > > >Michelle Burley                                Jamie Peters
> > > > > >Kathy Porter                           Carrie Berlogar
> > > > > >Deb Cussen                             Deganit Shechter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Boston - Godiva                                Atlanta - Sol
> > > > > >Shana Cook - Captain                   Jennifer Christianson -
> > > Captain
> > > > > >Christine Dunlap                       Angela Lin
> > > > > >Vicky Chow                             Lisa Kotora
> > > > > >Ellen Taggart                          Eileen Murray
> > > > > >Christine Parisi                       Mary O'Neill
> > > > > >Gwyn Tracy                             Susan Lansdell
> > > > > >Molly Goodwin                          Michelle Chabot
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                      MEN'S DIVISION
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Wellesley - Founders                   Santa Barbara - Condors
> > > > > >Paul Sackley - Captain                 Jay Higgins - Captain
> > > > > >Scott Hollinger                                Andy Crews
> > > > > >Gary Lippman                           Greg Husak
> > > > > >Stu Downs                              James Studarus
> > > > > >Jordan Haskell                         Rick Martz
> > > > > >Jeremy Seeger                          Jason Seidler
> > > > > >Jim Parinella                          Mario Viani
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Minneapolis - Sub-zero                 Sydney - Australian
> > Rebellion
> > > > > >Eric Lonsdorf - Captain                        Piers Truter  -
> > > Captain
> > > > > >Josh Quaas                             Iain Ferguson
> > > > > >Alex Nord                              Angus Keenan
> > > > > >Jon Remucal                            Duncan Keenan
> > > > > >Eric Carr                              Colin Wagstaff
> > > > > >Sam O'Brien                            Will Mitchell
> > > > > >Mike Lawyer                            Steve Antonopolis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Madison - G-Men                                New York - name
> TBA
> > > > > >Simon MacNair - Captain                        Marty Brutvan -
> > > Captain
> > > > > >Todd Eisenberg                         Dave Babkow
> > > > > >David Markwardt                        Joe McHugh
> > > > > >Brendan Sylvander                      Eric Olson
> > > > > >Charlie Reznikoff                      Arnold Sanchez
> > > > > >Will Henry                             Walter VanderSchraaf
> > > > > >Jeff Hirsch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Boston - 21st Century DoG              Houston - Hammers
> > > > > >Nathan Wicks - Captain                 Scott Buchanan - Captain
> > > > > >Tom Matthews                           John Gryzwinski
> > > > > >Lyn Debevoise                          Sean McCall
> > > > > >Fortunat Mueller                       Jason Calvi
> > > > > >Douglas Moore                          Steve Quach
> > > > > >Brian Cameros                          Sandy Ganzell
> > > > > >Justin Safdie                          Damian Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Chicago - name TBA                     San Diego - Ground Zero
> > > > > >Michael Glass - Captain                        Mike Boisvert -
> > > Captain
> > > > > >Rich Hollingsworth                     Steve Ferguson
> > > > > >Eric Zaslow                            Jim Ingabritsen
> > > > > >Steve Whitehead                                Mike Blackard
> > > > > >John Conway                            Greg Pinz
> > > > > >Joe Cesario                            Cliff Smith
> > > > > >Irv Gilner                             John Cione
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Seattle - Flatball                     Denver - Double Diamonds
> > > > > >Jonathan Gewirtz - Captain             Tim Wachuta - Captain
> > > > > >Greg Shiring                           Randy Ricks
> > > > > >Chris Page                             Bob Pease
> > > > > >Barney Ahouse                          Buzz Ellsworth
> > > > > >Rick Melner                            Jim Glynn
> > > > > >Darryl Nounnan                         Curtis Manning
> > > > > >Chris Hayden                           David Remucal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Atlanta - Bounty                       Vancouver - Evil Genius
> > > > > >David Goode - Captain                  Kirk Savage - Captain
> > > > > >Brian Cornelison                       Jeff Cruickshank
> > > > > >Nathan Wright                          Andrew Lugsdin
> > > > > >Greg Allpow                            Evan Wood
> > > > > >Adam Smeltzer                          Mike Grant
> > > > > >Ricky McClellen                                Khai Foo
> > > > > >John Hammond                           Mark Seraglia
> > > > > >
> > > > > >San Francisco - Bigack                 Miami - Team Florida
> > > > > >Scott Lipscomb - Captain               Kevin Bogusky
> > > > > >Brian Morris                           Steve Fowler
> > > > > >Idris Nolan                            Butch Brown
> > > > > >Seth Blacher                           Kristien Shallan
> > > > > >Edward Coyne                           Milan Hooper
> > > > > >Jeff Williams                          Steven Johnson
> > > > > >Dennis Warsen                          Dan DePaul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                     OFFICIALS
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Donny Wallace                          Jim Herrick
> > > > > >Tom Kennedy                            Steve Mooney
> > > > > >Archie Neilson                         Al Peterson
> > > > > >Dee Carey                              Dave Danks
> > > > > >Dean Seville                           Trey Paulison
> > > > > >Mark Lafoon                            David Becker
> > > > > >Brett Evans                            Peter Schmalenberger
> > > > > >David Ray                              Bob Pallares
> > > > > >Dan Rodick (tentative)                 plus 7 from Florida area
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > > > >Before you buy.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Wayne Retter
> > > > > at home: 01737-242109             wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk
> > > > >  mobile: 07970-903420
> > > > > at work: 01737-273611             wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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