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Subject: RE: The Tour Format
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:35:39 -0800
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To chime in even though we were there "to make up the numbers" 2 years ago -
the development of fitness, ability and "game-face" on First Touch was HUGE
playing in the Top 8 - sure, we went down to UTI and Catch (though I
remember a couple of really good games against Catch) - but the Red, First
Touch, Headrush 3 at the bottom of the 8 really were massively competitive,
and that competition gave good training grounds - maybe we weren't the best,
but the training was awesome, it gave us real games, and I know that happens
further down the order too.

It may be that you are playing the same teams again, but the few times that
you get to play teams 2 or 3 above you are very valuable - and you find
yourself training for those games.

*plink plink* *fizz*
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Retter
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Sent: 2/29/00 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: The Tour Format

The Tour IS elitest.

It IS designed to be that way - to develop and enhance the fitness,
skills and teamwork of the top FEW (say 5) teams in the country.

[and, assuming that those 5 teams provide the GB Open squad, improve
their performances at EU/WUGC, too, getting us more spaces at EU/WUCC]*

Yes, the other 3 in the "top 8" are there "to make up the numbers"!


So, what's really happening here?

A "Tour Event" is actually a whole load of small leagues, at one venue,
in one weekend, with promotion/relegation between each one...

Well, it would be, if there weren't so many team fluctuations!

Hence Tour 1 is more a "Traditional/Open" tournament - everybody has a
shot at the title if they win all their games, and then over the rest of
the Tour we try to work into the "Peer Pool" structure gradually - kind
of difficult in only 4 (or even 5) events!

Especially difficult when finding a decent venue for more than 20 teams
is rare, and every team below say, 12th is effectively "new" and "of
unknown strength" each year as players move around.

So, either we abandon the Tour format, or we revise it.

Everybody seems to think that the Tour is a good thing, just not quite
functioning properly, so abandoning it seems bad.

The arguments about how to revise the Tour all involve some kind of
split - students/non-students, topX/bottomY, etc. and all fall apart
when we try not to be too focussed on one particular group...

In theory, the tour should get so big that it's actually a full-blown
league / regional / national system and there's Ultimate happening
somewhere every day...

How that development occurs though - is still open to debate!

At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small
tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on
the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the
results may be predictable, but...)

Wayne Retter


*My apologies for not including Women, Mixed, Masters or Juniors here,
but until there's enough regular club teams in any of these divisions to
hold frequent tournaments/leagues, there's no focus on their
development.

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