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From: "Gareth Goo" <gareth_goo@hotmail.com>
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: RE: The Tour Format
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 03:11:33 PST
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As a final year student I would agree with the message below.  Provided the 
top teams are getting the competitive games they need the Tour does give the 
lower teams something to aim for.  And teams do end up training just for 
those games in which they play the higher up teams and get a chance to show 
themselves.

Also, even if the top 5 play a lower team surely the experience of playing 
different styles, whether good or not, is something that all teams need 
regardless of standard.

Having a Nationwide league system would be outstanding.  Currently "us" 
students are trying to badger the BUSA system into accepting ultimate as a 
standard sport and introducing a national Student league.  Maybe this is the 
way to start the ball rolling.  If students can create a BUSA league of 
ultimate with any luck a national league would be a natural follow-on.

Just some thoughts from us non-tax-payers.

Gareth
The Fish & TFC

>From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com>
>To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk '" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
>Subject: RE: The Tour Format
>Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:35:39 -0800
>
>To chime in even though we were there "to make up the numbers" 2 years ago 
>-
>the development of fitness, ability and "game-face" on First Touch was HUGE
>playing in the Top 8 - sure, we went down to UTI and Catch (though I
>remember a couple of really good games against Catch) - but the Red, First
>Touch, Headrush 3 at the bottom of the 8 really were massively competitive,
>and that competition gave good training grounds - maybe we weren't the 
>best,
>but the training was awesome, it gave us real games, and I know that 
>happens
>further down the order too.
>
>It may be that you are playing the same teams again, but the few times that
>you get to play teams 2 or 3 above you are very valuable - and you find
>yourself training for those games.
>
>*plink plink* *fizz*
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wayne Retter
>To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
>Sent: 2/29/00 1:31 PM
>Subject: Re: The Tour Format
>
>The Tour IS elitest.
>
>It IS designed to be that way - to develop and enhance the fitness,
>skills and teamwork of the top FEW (say 5) teams in the country.
>
>[and, assuming that those 5 teams provide the GB Open squad, improve
>their performances at EU/WUGC, too, getting us more spaces at EU/WUCC]*
>
>Yes, the other 3 in the "top 8" are there "to make up the numbers"!
>
>
>So, what's really happening here?
>
>A "Tour Event" is actually a whole load of small leagues, at one venue,
>in one weekend, with promotion/relegation between each one...
>
>Well, it would be, if there weren't so many team fluctuations!
>
>Hence Tour 1 is more a "Traditional/Open" tournament - everybody has a
>shot at the title if they win all their games, and then over the rest of
>the Tour we try to work into the "Peer Pool" structure gradually - kind
>of difficult in only 4 (or even 5) events!
>
>Especially difficult when finding a decent venue for more than 20 teams
>is rare, and every team below say, 12th is effectively "new" and "of
>unknown strength" each year as players move around.
>
>So, either we abandon the Tour format, or we revise it.
>
>Everybody seems to think that the Tour is a good thing, just not quite
>functioning properly, so abandoning it seems bad.
>
>The arguments about how to revise the Tour all involve some kind of
>split - students/non-students, topX/bottomY, etc. and all fall apart
>when we try not to be too focussed on one particular group...
>
>In theory, the tour should get so big that it's actually a full-blown
>league / regional / national system and there's Ultimate happening
>somewhere every day...
>
>How that development occurs though - is still open to debate!
>
>At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small
>tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on
>the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the
>results may be predictable, but...)
>
>Wayne Retter
>
>
>*My apologies for not including Women, Mixed, Masters or Juniors here,
>but until there's enough regular club teams in any of these divisions to
>hold frequent tournaments/leagues, there's no focus on their
>development.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Wayne Retter
>at home: 01737-242109           wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk
>  mobile: 07970-903420           w.retter@england.com
>at work: 01737-273611

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