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From: David Trovell <david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk>
To: "'Roger Thomson'" <roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
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Subject: RE: London League 2000
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UTI perspective:
We'd beat you 15-1 too!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roger Thomson [SMTP:roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk]
> Sent:	01 March 2000 13:34
> To:	'Ziants, Wayne'; 'Wayne Retter'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> Cc:	londonleague@onelist.com
> Subject:	RE: London League 2000
> 
> Wayne Retter wrote:
> >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small
> >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on
> >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the
> >results may be predictable, but...)
> 
> I think that's changing as the top teams recognise the value of playing
> against teams of a similar ability in a competitive setting. This very
> weekend Dough, UTI and maybe London Catch players are playing each other
> in
> a pre-season warm-up.
> 
> Wayne Ziants wrote:
> >Let us hope then that all those Ultimate clubs in London - whether Top 8,
> >Womens or Students - are prepared to participate in this year's London
> >League.  The presently vague plan is to start as soon as (non-floodlit)
> >evening games become practical, on one or two evenings a week through the
> >summer.  One popular idea is to make it a Co-ed competition, but nothing
> has
> >been settled on yet.  
> >Top organising bloke Paul Hurt will surely have more to add....
> >If Montreal can have 40 teams in a league, surely London's 8 million can
> >raise 8 teams  :-)
> 
> One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and
> time. The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means
> alot
> of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger
> and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. The
> summer
> leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a
> large
> proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better
> matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally
> that is more likely in a larger pool of teams.
> 
> Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because
> playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams get
> a
> good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social
> gathering.
> 
> 
> I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't
> necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures
> and
> travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if
> the
> format were different and offered more competitive games through peer
> pools
> and promotion and demotion. A UTI player's perspective would be
> interesting
> at this point....
> 
> Cheers ears,
> 
> PieBoy.