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From: "Milne, Douglas M" <dmm@mm-croy.mottmac.com>
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Subject: Indoors
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I have to agree that indoors has its place in British ultimate, without 
it there would be far less student teams in this country. It gives new 
players a chance to learn the skills, maybe not how to 'huck' a disc, but 
the understanding between team-mates is a very important aspect of any 
game. When I was learning Ultimate back in the day when we were the only 
junior team playing (Bad Company), we relished laying indoors because we 
could get close to teams that we may never of scored a point against 
outdoors (the first 3 times we played Hombres outdoors we lost to zero 
every time). But as people have already said the two games are very 
different, just the same way that Disc golf is different to outdoor 
ultimate. You can use some of what you learn from playing golf, i.e. 
throwing a big throw flattish, just as much as you can learn from 
indoors, learning about who your team is and how they play.

I know from experience how hard it can be to get a student team playing, 
I spent two years at Manchester trying to get a team together from the 
student ranks, both years I had over 70 players sign up only to find that 
the weather stopped people from coming out to play (as we had no access 
to a hall). Numbers soon dwindled after the first few weeks as people 
felt they didn't have the skill to play outdoors. It was only in my 3rd 
year that Ben contacted me to help in the starting of a new Manchester 
team that things really kicked off. Admittedly the people involved in the 
club helped greatly ( they had an enthusiasm for the game), but more 
importantly we could get new people involved very easily in a game where 
'disc skills' were not at a premium, as we had a sports hall to practice 
in. As with Fingers Six (The name is still blamed on my little sister), 
this was soon translated into outdoor play, and in the following years 
Fingers Six, now Chevron, have become a good outdoor side.

I do still fell however that there is still too much emphasis on indoors, 
to me it is still the baby walker of ultimate, a good place to learn how 
to play and then take that knowledge outdoors. Sure, if you don't have 
the facilities to play outdoors then by all means play indoors, but too 
many people seem to want to play indoors for half the year, GET A LIFE. 
Ultimate is an outdoor game, only us Northern Europeans made up this game 
to play when the sun don't shine, when it's too windy (what's that) or 
it's too muddy (personally I don't mind the mud). It's the same for both 
teams on the pitch whatever the weather, make the most of it.

On another point Ian Stebbing said
>It always struck me as odd that most of the Shotgun players seemed to 
stop
>playing indoors at about the time they stopped winning all the 
tournaments
>they played in. That's completely unfair to some of them but not all!.

Well as I seem to remember Hombres stopped playing after Regulators beat 
them in a semi final indoors, that was because they were not only get too 
old to play (sorry guys), but they had won so many indoor tournaments 
they needed a new fix. I believe most took up disc golf instead. Now 
Regulators, we won National indoors, in fact we had 2 relatively equal 
teams indoors that year, but with most of us finishing college there 
seemed no point in playing indoors when we had better things to do 
(OUTDOORS). We did however succumb to the taunts and play the next year, 
in Exeter. By this time there were only 7 Regulators fit enough to play 
indoors, 3 broken wrists, 1 shoulder operation etc. Now at this 
tournament the Hombres were playing as well as Flamingo Trap, together 
the teams now form Shotgun. Now neither of these teams had ever practised 
indoors since the Nationals the year before, there seemed no point. As I 
remember Regulators came second losing to Druids in a nail biting final 
(I remember because I threw the disc in the last seconds to put us into 
extra time, only to find that that man Ian was in the way) and Flamingo 
Trap came 4th. Now as I remember it, even back then, Flamingo Trap had 
their motto emblazoned on their shirts 'Get a Life Play Outdoors', they 
played the whole tournament taking the piss, every single flashy pass you 
could imagine and still they came 4th. 

Now maybe it's just because I've been lucky enough to find a team that 
enjoys playing outdoors all the time that I preach about 'Ultimate', but 
until the competition in this country gets better you're never going to 
beat us. Practising indoors won't help either, my team plays once a week 
at least if not twice a week outdoors, we did however have a 2 week break 
for Christmas. 

All you experienced Ultimate players, try and find a floodlit pitch 
before trying to find an indoor hall. You may be surprised what you find 
(I found a running track in London), If you carry on playing indoors 
without the outdoors as well your Ultimate will suffer, and I would like 
nothing better that a bit of competition coming from all quarters in this 
country. Teams like UTI, Regulators and Catch only made it to where they 
are by playing more outdoors!!!!

Doug
Shotgun