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From: "Matthew Lowe" <matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com>
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Subject: Re: The Tour Format
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:18:04 -0000
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A student league is the best way to develop a league system. It could be
sorted into regions. It would have a source of support (BUSA and unions).
Fixtures and transport would be sorted out along with the current BUSA
system. And it would probably result in a greater amount of students playing
the game.

It may also lead to a tiered system where each uni has 1st, 2nd and 3rd
teams, so competitive games should happen every week no matter what level
you play at. It would surely be a foundation for a national league.

It could lead to the ultimate coach playing a more important role in UK
ultimate.

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Gareth Goo <gareth_goo@hotmail.com>
To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: The Tour Format


> As a final year student I would agree with the message below.  Provided
the
> top teams are getting the competitive games they need the Tour does give
the
> lower teams something to aim for.  And teams do end up training just for
> those games in which they play the higher up teams and get a chance to
show
> themselves.
>
> Also, even if the top 5 play a lower team surely the experience of playing
> different styles, whether good or not, is something that all teams need
> regardless of standard.
>
> Having a Nationwide league system would be outstanding.  Currently "us"
> students are trying to badger the BUSA system into accepting ultimate as a
> standard sport and introducing a national Student league.  Maybe this is
the
> way to start the ball rolling.  If students can create a BUSA league of
> ultimate with any luck a national league would be a natural follow-on.
>
> Just some thoughts from us non-tax-payers.
>
> Gareth
> The Fish & TFC
>
> >From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com>
> >To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk '" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
> >Subject: RE: The Tour Format
> >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:35:39 -0800
> >
> >To chime in even though we were there "to make up the numbers" 2 years
ago
> >-
> >the development of fitness, ability and "game-face" on First Touch was
HUGE
> >playing in the Top 8 - sure, we went down to UTI and Catch (though I
> >remember a couple of really good games against Catch) - but the Red,
First
> >Touch, Headrush 3 at the bottom of the 8 really were massively
competitive,
> >and that competition gave good training grounds - maybe we weren't the
> >best,
> >but the training was awesome, it gave us real games, and I know that
> >happens
> >further down the order too.
> >
> >It may be that you are playing the same teams again, but the few times
that
> >you get to play teams 2 or 3 above you are very valuable - and you find
> >yourself training for those games.
> >
> >*plink plink* *fizz*
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Wayne Retter
> >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> >Sent: 2/29/00 1:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: The Tour Format
> >
> >The Tour IS elitest.
> >
> >It IS designed to be that way - to develop and enhance the fitness,
> >skills and teamwork of the top FEW (say 5) teams in the country.
> >
> >[and, assuming that those 5 teams provide the GB Open squad, improve
> >their performances at EU/WUGC, too, getting us more spaces at EU/WUCC]*
> >
> >Yes, the other 3 in the "top 8" are there "to make up the numbers"!
> >
> >
> >So, what's really happening here?
> >
> >A "Tour Event" is actually a whole load of small leagues, at one venue,
> >in one weekend, with promotion/relegation between each one...
> >
> >Well, it would be, if there weren't so many team fluctuations!
> >
> >Hence Tour 1 is more a "Traditional/Open" tournament - everybody has a
> >shot at the title if they win all their games, and then over the rest of
> >the Tour we try to work into the "Peer Pool" structure gradually - kind
> >of difficult in only 4 (or even 5) events!
> >
> >Especially difficult when finding a decent venue for more than 20 teams
> >is rare, and every team below say, 12th is effectively "new" and "of
> >unknown strength" each year as players move around.
> >
> >So, either we abandon the Tour format, or we revise it.
> >
> >Everybody seems to think that the Tour is a good thing, just not quite
> >functioning properly, so abandoning it seems bad.
> >
> >The arguments about how to revise the Tour all involve some kind of
> >split - students/non-students, topX/bottomY, etc. and all fall apart
> >when we try not to be too focussed on one particular group...
> >
> >In theory, the tour should get so big that it's actually a full-blown
> >league / regional / national system and there's Ultimate happening
> >somewhere every day...
> >
> >How that development occurs though - is still open to debate!
> >
> >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small
> >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on
> >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the
> >results may be predictable, but...)
> >
> >Wayne Retter
> >
> >
> >*My apologies for not including Women, Mixed, Masters or Juniors here,
> >but until there's enough regular club teams in any of these divisions to
> >hold frequent tournaments/leagues, there's no focus on their
> >development.
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> >Wayne Retter
> >at home: 01737-242109           wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk
> >  mobile: 07970-903420           w.retter@england.com
> >at work: 01737-273611
>
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