From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 18:22:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA20399 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:57 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20390 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:56 GMT Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01182 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:55 GMT Received: from p149-harc1-kirklees1.tch.dtn.ntl.com ([194.168.244.149] helo=user) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12QDcs-0005El-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:13:34 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01bf83aa$94b91620$a69cfea9@user> From: "Matthew Lowe" <matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <1DBF2E3701DFD211A65300902728A91B0104AA2E@baby.kbw.co.uk> Subject: Re: London League 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:12:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger is right that a good team like Doughboy would not want to play in a league if they won every game 15-1, but there is no reason why they should not play in a London league. If the London league was played with a hat format (I believe it did so last summer,) then most games would be close and competitive (the only difference between teams should be the way they work together.) It would also give new or less experienced players the chance to develop there skills. There is no reason why a league should have to consist of current teams, it would be nice for them to practice as a team in a regular league but at this stage leagues are still going to be second to the tour, where teams like Doughboy can have there elite games. Hope that made sense, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Thomson <roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk> To: 'Ziants, Wayne' <WZiants@spencerstuart.com>; 'Wayne Retter' <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk>; <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: <londonleague@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: RE: London League 2000 > Wayne Retter wrote: > >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small > >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on > >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the > >results may be predictable, but...) > > I think that's changing as the top teams recognise the value of playing > against teams of a similar ability in a competitive setting. This very > weekend Dough, UTI and maybe London Catch players are playing each other in > a pre-season warm-up. > > Wayne Ziants wrote: > >Let us hope then that all those Ultimate clubs in London - whether Top 8, > >Womens or Students - are prepared to participate in this year's London > >League. The presently vague plan is to start as soon as (non-floodlit) > >evening games become practical, on one or two evenings a week through the > >summer. One popular idea is to make it a Co-ed competition, but nothing > has > >been settled on yet. > >Top organising bloke Paul Hurt will surely have more to add.... > >If Montreal can have 40 teams in a league, surely London's 8 million can > >raise 8 teams :-) > > One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and > time. The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means alot > of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger > and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. The summer > leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a large > proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better > matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally > that is more likely in a larger pool of teams. > > Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because > playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams get a > good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social gathering. > > > I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't > necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures and > travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if the > format were different and offered more competitive games through peer pools > and promotion and demotion. A UTI player's perspective would be interesting > at this point.... > > Cheers ears, > > PieBoy.