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From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk>
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>One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and
>time.

One evening every other week or so you get on a tube train, play Ultimate 
against some people you may or may not already know, and then you all go 
down the pub. Doesn't sound so tough :-)

>The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means alot
>of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger
>and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. 

Yes, if a Dough or UTI team entered, it probably would be a bit 
pointless. 

OTOH, lots of people play Ultimate because they enjoy it. I enjoy meeting 
new teams and players, regardless of whether we flatten them or they 
flatten us, or anything inbetween. The point for me isn't necessarily the 
result, it's how much fun I had.


>The summer
>leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a large
>proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better
>matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally
>that is more likely in a larger pool of teams.

>
>Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because
>playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams get a
>good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social gathering.

The RP one-dayers are fine and worthwhile, but don't do much to promote 
the formation of new teams or expand the sport - and I know that's not 
the point of these events. But I get the impression that there's a vast 
number of Londoners who'd love to play Ultimate regularly and 
competitively, but can't (or don't want to) leave London every other 
weekend to do so. Hence the league.
>
>
>I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't
>necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures and
>travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if the
>format were different and offered more competitive games through peer pools
>and promotion and demotion.

We had a league containing only six teams last year, so obviously this 
isn't going to happen just yet! But you have to start somewhere. All 
those huge North American leagues started this small. If Doughboy are 
still playing in ten years time, maybe then it'll be worth their while 
putting in a team! :-)

To be honest, those individuals that want to play in the London League 
do, and those that don't, don't. If uniformly high-level games is what 
you're after, then you're not going to find them here. But for some 
Londoners, if it wasn't for the league, they'd never play *any* 
competitive games, just Thursday night pickup where no-one can remember 
the score, and no-one cares anyway.

If any of the "elite" players want to form or join a team, then please go 
right ahead. It's just a bit of fun after all.

Paul

P.S. Wayne's right, unless anyone has any particular objections, it'll be 
co-ed this year. Rule will be that each 7-a-side team must have at least 
two players of each sex on the pitch. i.e. 5/2, 4/3, 3/4 or 2/5. Thanks 
for the suggestion Patch.


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Paul Hurt

paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk
http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk