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From: David Trovell <david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk>
To: "'londonleague@onelist.com'" <londonleague@onelist.com>,
Roger Thomson
<roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk>,
"'Ziants, Wayne'"
<WZiants@spencerstuart.com>,
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Subject: Londers - lets do something about this shit!
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:51:58 -0000
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Londoners
Personally I think it is pathetic we can't get a decent league in a city of
this size.
I'm sure there are lots of practices scattered around London forming a
pretty big player base. However, the majority of London players seem more
interested in having closed shop games than forming something long term in
London.
Having lots of little practices not only deters new players from entering
the sport but also means the majority of teams never reach their full
potential. It is such a lazy, short term attitude and means we will never
get to the advanced position of 'towns' like Vancouver, Sydney, Washington
etc.
The starting point to change all this could be to organise all summer
leagues/ team practices on the same day in the same place. This way we can
get everyone together and figure out the best way to combine it all.
For the first year we may just get lots of seperate games with no 'league'
but at least every player can find his own level and switch between games
easily. It would also create a focus to attract new or foreign players and
also media coverage which will eventually grow the sport.
Paul Hurt has done a great job in the past but several established teams
have stayed away to do their own thing (and not just the top teams). Lets
all make an effort to change that this year.
On my part, I will encourage all London UTI players to attend. This will not
replace our closed 'squad' practices but add to them.
Any suggestions of a big venue?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hurt [SMTP:paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 March 2000 02:15
> To: Roger Thomson; 'Ziants, Wayne'; 'Wayne Retter' ; BritDisc
> Cc: London League
> Subject: [londonleague] RE: London League 2000
>
> From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk>
>
> >One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and
> >time.
>
> One evening every other week or so you get on a tube train, play Ultimate
> against some people you may or may not already know, and then you all go
> down the pub. Doesn't sound so tough :-)
>
> >The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means alot
> >of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger
> >and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players.
>
> Yes, if a Dough or UTI team entered, it probably would be a bit
> pointless.
>
> OTOH, lots of people play Ultimate because they enjoy it. I enjoy meeting
> new teams and players, regardless of whether we flatten them or they
> flatten us, or anything inbetween. The point for me isn't necessarily the
> result, it's how much fun I had.
>
>
> >The summer
> >leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a
> large
> >proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better
> >matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally
> >that is more likely in a larger pool of teams.
>
> >
> >Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because
> >playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams
> get a
> >good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social
> gathering.
>
> The RP one-dayers are fine and worthwhile, but don't do much to promote
> the formation of new teams or expand the sport - and I know that's not
> the point of these events. But I get the impression that there's a vast
> number of Londoners who'd love to play Ultimate regularly and
> competitively, but can't (or don't want to) leave London every other
> weekend to do so. Hence the league.
> >
> >
> >I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't
> >necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures
> and
> >travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if
> the
> >format were different and offered more competitive games through peer
> pools
> >and promotion and demotion.
>
> We had a league containing only six teams last year, so obviously this
> isn't going to happen just yet! But you have to start somewhere. All
> those huge North American leagues started this small. If Doughboy are
> still playing in ten years time, maybe then it'll be worth their while
> putting in a team! :-)
>
> To be honest, those individuals that want to play in the London League
> do, and those that don't, don't. If uniformly high-level games is what
> you're after, then you're not going to find them here. But for some
> Londoners, if it wasn't for the league, they'd never play *any*
> competitive games, just Thursday night pickup where no-one can remember
> the score, and no-one cares anyway.
>
> If any of the "elite" players want to form or join a team, then please go
> right ahead. It's just a bit of fun after all.
>
> Paul
>
> P.S. Wayne's right, unless anyone has any particular objections, it'll be
> co-ed this year. Rule will be that each 7-a-side team must have at least
> two players of each sex on the pitch. i.e. 5/2, 4/3, 3/4 or 2/5. Thanks
> for the suggestion Patch.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Paul Hurt
>
> paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk
> http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk
>
>
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