From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 26 17:22:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id e4QGLG711647 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:21:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e4QGLEp11636 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:21:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from web1610.mail.yahoo.com (web1610.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.164]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e4QGLDU14922 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 22337 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2000 16:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000526162110.22336.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.63.177.201] by web1610.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:21:09 PDT Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Simon=20Arbuckle?= <simonarbuckle@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd: Fw: Tour 2 !? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hear, hear! While I was not at the tour to see the state of the facilities, the recent discussions on Britdisc have left me in little doubt as to what happened. I am sure that there is nobody within UK ultimate that wishes such a situation to occur again, none more so than the people that sweat blood and tears to get a tournament together. Surely then, the topic of conversation must turn to how to prevent these problems recurring rather than continually bitching about past problems? Simon Arbuckle. Currently incapacitated, permanently Mud Culture. --- Paul Meaney <p.meaney@cherwell.com> wrote: > Reply-to: "Paul Meaney" <p.meaney@familygenetix.com> > From: "Paul Meaney" <p.meaney@cherwell.com> > To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > Subject: Fw: Tour 2 !? > Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:04:46 +0100 > > > > To whoever wrote this email, > > > while I share your concerns over QA of > tournaments, I feel that > such > an anonymous diatribe like this will do little to > advance the cause of > people who, > like myself, are concerned that the Ultimate > Community of britain are no > longer getting value for money at tournaments. > > > In future could you please have the guts to put > your name against such > a > mail. > > > In response to this, while I am sure Ian and > Nancy struggled to put on > a > good show, I would like to ask the U8C to publicly > confirm that the pitches > were NOT in such an atrocious state when the > organisers booked the venue. > In > fact can the U8C committee confirm that the surface > was made uneven, the > ground filled with rocks and the grass not cut in > the period between > booking > the venue and holding the tournament. > > I cannot see two people who have played > ultimate for years looking at > shoddy, uneven surfaces and going "yep, this'll be > fine for a Tour Event". > > If this is not the case, the matter will need > to be discussed further. > > > Paul > > > ps - the argument 'if you can do better do it > yourself' is irrelevant > to > the above point. One has nothing to do with the > other. If you decide to run > a tournement you have an obligation to those paying > entry fees and transport > to get it right. > > > > --- > --- > Dr Paul Meaney | e-mail: > p.meaney@cherwell.com > Java Developer | Phone: +44 > (0)1865 784800 ext. 4839 > FamilyGenetix Ltd | Fax: +44 > (0)1865 784801 > Oxford OX4 4GA, UK | URL: > http://www.cherwell.com > --- > --- > > > Apparently ultimate as we know it, played on a flat > rectangular pitch of cut > grass, is too boring and predictable. > > Only this could explain the events of last weekend > when an official > BUF-sanctioned event was hosted on a site that would > have been better suited > for a weekend of orienteering. > > In a statement tournament organiser VP Noncing > Stropbaärk said, "The problem > is that if the pitches are always the same then the > players can cheat by > planning in advance what they are going to do in the > game itself. Some > teams even meet and set up mock pitches of their own > and practice on them in > secret ahead of the tournament. > > "It is in order to stamp out precisely this kind of > bad-spirited > win-at-all-costs tendency that we on the BUF brought > in a few > counter-measures this weekend. Features such as > wobbly/curving/non-existent > sidelines, random up/downhill gradients, knee-high > grass and not always > being able to see the opposing endzone when you > start the point - all mean > that players have to think on their feet and use > their initiative. Or a > compass." > > Asked whether it was also part of the plan to > situate the nearest toilets > over a half-mile round trip from the 'pitches' and > to fail to supply any > vegetarian food during the day, nor any food at all > in the evening Ms. > Strepthraät snapped back, "There's a whiner element > in every community - I'd > rather focus on the achievements of the last > weekend. > > "By making sure that every pitch was deeply rutted > and pitted along with > rows of hidden cracks and a random distribution of > holes and depressions as > well as rocks, flints and broken glass we took a > huge step towards breaking > up the monotonous flow of the game that puts so may > potential viewers off. > The more tedious cutting and passing elements of the > sport were balanced > against plenty of action as players regularly went > down clutching torn ankle > ligaments, twisted knees, concussions and > camera-friendly heavily-bleeding > open wounds. > > "Let's face it, we know what's best for the sport - > the only way forward for > ultimate is to attract as much sponsorship and TV > coverage as possible > because without that, those who administer the game > will never feel as > important as we deserve to. If we can move on from > the gains of last > weekend to rename the top teams, kick everyone else > out of the sport and get > some town centre disturbances going before the big > games then we will have > amply repaid you the value of your BUF subscription > fee." > > Ms Stripaäkht refused to comment on rumours that the > Nationals Tournament > was to be replaced by a one-match "BUFBowl I" > between the Catch Crusaders > and the Duffboy Disembowellers. > > > Sorry, I couldn't resist. The food was over priced > and poor quality, I > understand the bar ran out of beer and shut early > and the prizes were a > disgrace, especially spirit. > > ===== Simon Arbuckle PgDip (FBOM) Scottish Agricultural College Aberdeen Email: simonarbuckle@yahoo.com Tel: 01224 711009 ext1328 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/