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From: "David Eastman" <david_eastman@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Tour III - nanny state rule and its exploitation
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Stu,

I think I can now remember this incident; we started with our four as soon 
as the rest of the team was in view (?). Sadly Playthings did not have a 
great record for time keeping. Yet I would guess Glyn would have forced the 
points rule if the same situation was reversed because we certainly were not 
overly generous. Enough nostalgia :-)

Today is different; the top 8 surely know that we have a responsibility to 
represent the game at the top level. This (surely) means turning up on time 
with a full team, or accepting the consequences. The details are up to the 
captains; but fixed guidelines would be a comfort.


David Eastman
(Then Playthings, now Hammerage)


>From: Stuart Clark <Frisbee@compuserve.com>
>To: Britdisc <>
>Subject: Re: Tour III - nanny state rule and its exploitation
>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:40:04 -0400
>
>Again, as somebody who has experienced this from both sides, here's my
>two-penneth,
>
>I. for many years, was captain of the aforementioned Village People
>(thankyou Paul Meaney!) and I was proud of that team, not because we did
>anything fantastic or ever threatened to make a semi-final, but because I
>believe we had a good reputation as being a good spirited team.
>
>Quite a few years ago, around the transitional period between "monster"
>nationals of 36 teams and the introduction of the tour we had an
>interesting run-in with the Playthings at a nationals at Oxford.  We were
>on, first game of the Sunday morning, in an important play-off for a top 12
>spot.  We used to meet Playthings all the time and had many a good scrap
>against them, if they were on form we knew we had a hard fight on our
>hands.
>We were all there at 8.30am, warming up and throwing around (which for us
>was unheard of) and the Playthings were nowhere to be seen.  At 9am, the
>hooter sounded - the Playthings had, I seem to remember, 3 or 4 people.
>
>We could have played the game 3 on 3 or 4 on 4, but that seemed pretty
>pointless, or we could have played 7 on 3/4, but it would have been a
>pasting and no fun for anyone.  OR, we could have started taking points off
>them for every minute they weren't ready (yes, the rule was in force at
>that tournament - what 5(?) years ago).  However, we chose none of those
>options and waited for the Playthings to arrive.  It was about 9.25 before
>the Playthings were ready to start.
>At the end of game hooter we were level.  There was no two point cap.  The
>game went into sudden death "overtime" and we lost.
>Personally I thought that was a spirited decision by us, others may think
>it was stupid.  Yes, we were beaten fair and square in a "proper" game but
>we did feel somewhat robbed of a top 12 position, not because of anything
>the Playthings had done, but because on a field not-too-distant from us,
>another team had won a game by enforcing the point-a-minute rule.
>
>And here's the crux of the issue - it's not about cries of "Spirit!" - it's
>about enforcement of the rules. A case in point which many of us probably
>remember is Catch 22 copping a lot of crap on Britidisc about spirit for
>taking a dropped pull and scoring off it.  Si Hill promptly and correctly
>pointed out that those were the rules of the game and the rules that Catch
>played by.  It had nothing to do with Spirit.  Rarely now do you see teams
>letting other teams off for dropped pulls.
>
>The same applies for this seven on the line/point docking rule.  It's in
>the tour rules and it has been for a while (at least last season as well as
>many teams found to their cost).  It needs to be there so that we have
>standardisation across the board when this situation arises - so that a
>team that shows more "spirit" doesn't lose out in a situation where another
>(argueably no less spirited team) enforces the rules and progresses onward
>through the tournament.  We should all acknowledge that the rule exists, we
>should all have no qualms about enforcing it on our opposition and we
>should all accept that our opposition will enforce it on us if we don't
>have seven on the line at the hooter - without raising questions about
>spirit afterwards.  Spirit should be about how you as an individual and/or
>a team handle yourselves on the field once the game is in play, not about
>judgement calls about how and when to begin a game if a team isn't ready -
>the tour rules now take that out of our hands.
>
>I appreciate Aram's comments but the rules can't allow for any individuals
>circumstances regardless of how unfortunate or unforseen they are.  Your
>opposition aren't to know why you aren't there - they just know you aren't.
>
>I would bore you with the Village People/French Connection story since it's
>quite amusing but I think I've rambled enough and hopefully made my point.
>
>Stu
>Ex Village People now.....wait for it......BAF (Co-ed!)

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