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Seems like there's been some banter/discussion re: the contentious last call 
during the Open final in Heilbronn...

read on...

Paolo
(The 22)

---------------------- Forwarded by Paolo Nistri/MDD/LONDON/FTI on 06/09/2000 
10:47 ---------------------------


Bart.EDES@oecd.org on 06/09/2000 11:35:28
To: Paolo Nistri/MDD/LONDON/FTI@FTI
cc:  

Subject: FW: bad call? (fwd)


his brother plays with Les Invalides!

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex [mailto:count@basit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:13 AM
To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de
Subject: Re: bad call? (fwd)


I would like to introduce myself.  I am the person who was involved in
the call in the finals from the American team.

I would first like to point out that I did not call a strip, I called a
foul.  I can understand why there would complaints about a strip call as
I admit I never had possession of the disc.

And as for the play, at stall 7 or 8, Jim Parinella threw me a dump pass
a little beyond me and away from Anders Jerhamre, who was defending me.
As I went to pancake the disc, Anders came from behind and smacked the
entire back of my hand just as I was about to catch the disc, whereupon
I instantly called the foul.  Unfortunately, we had already had an
smaller argument between the two of us earlier in the game, and this one
got ugly quickly.  I was very angry because I knew that whatever
happened to finish the game, it would always be 'tainted' in some
people's minds.  My behavior was inexcusable but I couldn't believe he
was standing there with a straight face and saying that he never touched
me when the back of my hand was still tingling.  It was impossible that
he didn't know he hit me.

I was also aggravated because the game should never have come down to
that play.  We had had a number of chances to put the game away, and we
had also given the Swedes a number of opportunities at the end.  I was
also angry because Anders and I had been teammates when he played with
DoG in '95, and now he was putting me in that position.

Unfortunately, this whole incident overshadowed what to that point had
been a great game between two incredibly evenly matched teams, with both
offenses performing almost flawlessly.  I was unable to celebrate the
victory because of the ending, even though I knew I had made the right
call.

As I am not on this distribution list, please include me in any relevant
responses or further inquiries.

Alex de Frondeville
Death or Glory

James Parinella wrote:
>
>  Did you call "strip" by chance?
>
>
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:42:19
>  From: Johannes Epting <johannesepting>
>  To: eurodisc <EuroDisc>, chello <edmund.england>
>  Subject: Re: bad call?
>
>  i was standing next to the field right where it happened; only some
>  subs where closer to the scene. i heard him make the call, and it was
>  "strip", not "foul". now noone else but him can know whether he
>  actually had a tight grip on the disc (control) or whether his
>  fingers were still "2 millimeters away" from the disc when his
>  opponent hit it; and since it all happens so fast, i can understand
>  that both players are firmly convinced of their respective versions,
>  especially in the given situation. it was a very close call.
>
>  i also had a busload of youngsters (7-13 years old) with me (on the
>  finals day only, so they have no way of looking at the worlds as a
>  whole), who were right next to me; they have played tournaments
>  themselves (www.johannesepting.de/MIT), so they know what ultimate is
>  all about. we had watched the womens final, which was a perfect
>  display of it all. they also heard the call ("strip").
>
>  what followed then was no longer a perfect display: never mind the
>  audience being on the swedes' side, but the argument was really
>  heated, and it got dirty. some of my youngsters were even asking me:
>  "but you told us they can play without referees even at world
>  championships! yeah, right...", which they would have never thought
>  of saying after the womens final. i found this quite unfortunate.
>
>  and when the teams met in the middle and did not form the usual
>  circle, something was definitely wrong; neither them nor i had seen
>  this before, and it should not have been that way. so in this
>  respect, one could say that it was a bad call.
>
>  on the other hand, if you followed the media coverage, there was no
>  mentioning of any "problems" or the like; so the uninitiated had no
>  way of knowing what had gone on, and to them whether it was a bad
>  call or not did not matter. the americans won.
>
>  so was it a bad call? it was a bad display of the sport, but only
>  "members of the family" could tell; and they will keep on playing
>  anyway. (incidentally, MIT was playing a tournament the following
>  weekend, and they were all there, despite the experience.)
>
>  johannes
>  Wir spielen MIT.
>
>  > Date sent:      Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:18:22 +0200
>  > Subject:        bad call?
>  > From:           chello <edmund.england>
>  > To:             eurodisc <EuroDisc>
>
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > Do anyone have a comment on the last point on the open final imbetween
>  > Sweden and U.S.A. Was it a bad call and if so how bad was it? Did 
>this event
>  > disturb our common view of ultimate as a game of spirit?
>  >
>  > Edmund
>  >
>  > Enskede Frisbee Klubb
>  >
>  >




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