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From: "Evans, Alex" <AXEvans@roomuw.co.uk>
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Subject: RE: bad call? (fwd)
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Sky and I were standing about three yards away from the incident. I didn't see it clearly (heads in the way) and I didn't hear "strip", I was under the impression that it was a foul call. I believe that Sky saw it clearly but wasn't sure whether it was a good call, that it was one of those that only the players involved could know for sure.
One thing I would like to say is that those people in the stand and around the ground who were jeering DoG for the rest of the game and, even worse, at the presentation ceremony should be ashamed of themselves. The vast majority of those people could have had no real perspective of the incident (it's clear that plenty of people didn't even know what the call was), and had an "any call's a bad call" mentality. I had a lot of sympathy for DoG, who are widely respected as one of the more spirited teams around.
To end the Worlds final with such a contentious call was unfortunate, to end it with jeers and boos was a disgrace.
Welshy
(GB Open & UTI)
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From: Paolo.Nistri@ft.com [mailto:Paolo.Nistri@ft.com]
Sent: 06 September 2000 10:48
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Subject: FW: bad call? (fwd)
Seems like there's been some banter/discussion re: the contentious last call
during the Open final in Heilbronn...
read on...
Paolo
(The 22)
---------------------- Forwarded by Paolo Nistri/MDD/LONDON/FTI on 06/09/2000
10:47 ---------------------------
Bart.EDES@oecd.org on 06/09/2000 11:35:28
To: Paolo Nistri/MDD/LONDON/FTI@FTI
cc:
Subject: FW: bad call? (fwd)
his brother plays with Les Invalides!
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From: Alex [mailto:count@basit.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:13 AM
To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de
Subject: Re: bad call? (fwd)
I would like to introduce myself. I am the person who was involved in
the call in the finals from the American team.
I would first like to point out that I did not call a strip, I called a
foul. I can understand why there would complaints about a strip call as
I admit I never had possession of the disc.
And as for the play, at stall 7 or 8, Jim Parinella threw me a dump pass
a little beyond me and away from Anders Jerhamre, who was defending me.
As I went to pancake the disc, Anders came from behind and smacked the
entire back of my hand just as I was about to catch the disc, whereupon
I instantly called the foul. Unfortunately, we had already had an
smaller argument between the two of us earlier in the game, and this one
got ugly quickly. I was very angry because I knew that whatever
happened to finish the game, it would always be 'tainted' in some
people's minds. My behavior was inexcusable but I couldn't believe he
was standing there with a straight face and saying that he never touched
me when the back of my hand was still tingling. It was impossible that
he didn't know he hit me.
I was also aggravated because the game should never have come down to
that play. We had had a number of chances to put the game away, and we
had also given the Swedes a number of opportunities at the end. I was
also angry because Anders and I had been teammates when he played with
DoG in '95, and now he was putting me in that position.
Unfortunately, this whole incident overshadowed what to that point had
been a great game between two incredibly evenly matched teams, with both
offenses performing almost flawlessly. I was unable to celebrate the
victory because of the ending, even though I knew I had made the right
call.
As I am not on this distribution list, please include me in any relevant
responses or further inquiries.
Alex de Frondeville
Death or Glory
James Parinella wrote:
>
> Did you call "strip" by chance?
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:42:19
> From: Johannes Epting <johannesepting>
> To: eurodisc <EuroDisc>, chello <edmund.england>
> Subject: Re: bad call?
>
> i was standing next to the field right where it happened; only some
> subs where closer to the scene. i heard him make the call, and it was
> "strip", not "foul". now noone else but him can know whether he
> actually had a tight grip on the disc (control) or whether his
> fingers were still "2 millimeters away" from the disc when his
> opponent hit it; and since it all happens so fast, i can understand
> that both players are firmly convinced of their respective versions,
> especially in the given situation. it was a very close call.
>
> i also had a busload of youngsters (7-13 years old) with me (on the
> finals day only, so they have no way of looking at the worlds as a
> whole), who were right next to me; they have played tournaments
> themselves (www.johannesepting.de/MIT), so they know what ultimate is
> all about. we had watched the womens final, which was a perfect
> display of it all. they also heard the call ("strip").
>
> what followed then was no longer a perfect display: never mind the
> audience being on the swedes' side, but the argument was really
> heated, and it got dirty. some of my youngsters were even asking me:
> "but you told us they can play without referees even at world
> championships! yeah, right...", which they would have never thought
> of saying after the womens final. i found this quite unfortunate.
>
> and when the teams met in the middle and did not form the usual
> circle, something was definitely wrong; neither them nor i had seen
> this before, and it should not have been that way. so in this
> respect, one could say that it was a bad call.
>
> on the other hand, if you followed the media coverage, there was no
> mentioning of any "problems" or the like; so the uninitiated had no
> way of knowing what had gone on, and to them whether it was a bad
> call or not did not matter. the americans won.
>
> so was it a bad call? it was a bad display of the sport, but only
> "members of the family" could tell; and they will keep on playing
> anyway. (incidentally, MIT was playing a tournament the following
> weekend, and they were all there, despite the experience.)
>
> johannes
> Wir spielen MIT.
>
> > Date sent: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:18:22 +0200
> > Subject: bad call?
> > From: chello <edmund.england>
> > To: eurodisc <EuroDisc>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Do anyone have a comment on the last point on the open final imbetween
> > Sweden and U.S.A. Was it a bad call and if so how bad was it? Did
>this event
> > disturb our common view of ultimate as a game of spirit?
> >
> > Edmund
> >
> > Enskede Frisbee Klubb
> >
> >
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