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From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>
To: "BritDisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Tour Dates
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:42:15 -0000
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Of course the cost will put people off.

But until ultimate players have a complete rethink of their attitudes
towards the organisation of ultimate and tournaments the tour is dead. It
will not progress beyond this year or the next in its present form. It needs
to change.

But - people like the large events, which are difficult to organise,
difficult to provide quality facilities like hot showers (ever been to a
concert where the toilets have backed up Paul?), and very difficult to book.
Few venues have the facilities to cope with over 600 people wanting a shower
in two hours. So to provide these facilities the cost will escalate, and
these events are still run on a shoe string with little reward for
organisers. These organisers are doing more and more as fewer and fewer
people are prepared to get involved.

So that is the bottom line - don't get me wrong, the tour is a fantastic
concept and has worked well, but is too big to survive in its present form -
the tour is a dinosaur - and like the dinosaur it is going to be extinct -
and in the meantime you are going to be paying for life support.

In the meantime - don't winge to me, don't winge to Britdisc - the time to
complain was at the AGM, and most of you weren't there.

Chris
DoC

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Eastman [mailto:pde@dcs.ed.ac.uk]
Sent: 22 February 2001 13:14
To: Ruth Taylor
Cc: Mark Lean; BritDisc
Subject: RE: Tour Dates


Ruth,

I think your argument fails all over the shop. Last year we, Ro-Sham-Bo
played only 3 of the 4 tours, and still managed to qualify for nationals!
All this was done by students, and we never took 12 people to a
tournament.There are student teams out there who consider themselves quite 
seriousand as we proved last year we should be able to compete, because we
just
might suprise a few people.

The cost may well put teams off, and so will attitudes like that.
 
Paul Eastman
Ro-Sham-Bo Edinburgh Student Ultimate
pde@dcs.ed.ac.uk