From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 15:17:26 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1MFFRu11435 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:15:27 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MFFNh11407 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:15:23 GMT Received: from mail.dmt.co.uk (mail.dmt.co.uk [193.130.13.212]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id f1MFF6Y23542 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:15:06 GMT Received: From DMTNT.DMT.CO.UK (192.168.10.2[192.168.10.2 port:3261]) by mail.dmt.co.uk Mail essentials (server 2.422) with SMTP id: <3238@mail.dmt.co.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 3:13:04 PM +0000 smtpmailfrom <paul.meaney@qa.com> Received: by dmtnt.dmtdomain with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <DWGZ1QLH>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:29:56 -0000 Message-ID: <A5AACA33C168D2118B6800A024CB49D72CA359@dmtnt.dmtdomain> From: Paul Meaney <paul.meaney@qa.com> To: "BritDisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour Dates Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:29:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id f1MFFNh11411 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > (ever been to a > concert where the toilets have backed up Paul?), and very yes chris I have. so I do the sensible thing - have a dump before I go and then have one when I get back! However a concert usually lasts two hours. So what are you proposing? If I follow your logic you are suggesting I do not have a shower all weekend, but have one before I leave and one when I come back?. that's fine by me! - which means you don't need changing rooms, SO bring the costs down!!! I'm just saying that if you are going to take money off me I expect a certain standard in return. If you bought a video player and it was crap, you take it back and give someone grief. Likewise if someone takes your money for a tournament and it is badly run with lousy facilities and they have the nerve to charge over £100 then likewise that organiser should be held accountable. organisers. These organisers are doing more and more as fewer > and fewer > people are prepared to get involved. > and again, is that not because a 32 team tour event is too large? Given also that on a per tour basis, the people who are most affected are those playing for crossover into top/ bottom 16, as that affects overall nationals qualifiaction? > In the meantime - don't winge to me, don't winge to Britdisc > - the time to > complain was at the AGM, and most of you weren't there. to Chris and Dora... hmmm... yes... about this whinging thing.... Chris, I've looked at your initial report at: http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/tour2001.htm Dora, I've also looked at the agenda for the meeting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/britdisc-daily/message/552 (can I strongly suggest ALL ultimte players who were NOT at the AGM have a look too.) in NEITHER OF THESE does it say: 'oh and another disadvantage, we are going to have to hike the cost of a tour entry fee by up to 100% in 2001'. what you are proposing is changes to the tour structure from (at least) 2002 onwards! And this mean prices have to go up because..... Chris, you must admit you *slightly* omitted that little perl of wisdom. Dora, you must also acknowledge that the agenda details were also lacking in this. Where was the motion: increase of tour fees for the 2001/2002 season. If it was slipped in under AOCB, that is what I call being bloody underhanded! That should have been a SEPERATE issue as it DIRECTLY affects all players/ teams - especially students. If that had been included in the digest/ full report, I'm sure that more people would have been interested in attending. Do people not think it a *tad* important to be told "Oh, by the way the average entry fee is going to up by at least 50 quid?" Dora, you say no- one turned up. Is it any wonder? The agenda of the meeting looks as it it is tailored EXCLUSIVELY for the BUF and U8C. Do you not think that people are only really interested if something *directly* affects them? Whatever you decide, there will still be tours of some form. Big deal. People will still get to play disc, in whatever format YOU decide. Hooyah! That is why we have committees - to do the thinking for us!! (yes I know, major can of worms, but at heart it's the truth). However, anything that involves radical price hikes is something that needs to be told to people because that DOES affect people. Can you not see a knock on effect? Increasing the price of a tour event can also cause across the board increases in other tournaments. So - Dora, it was not on the agenda that tour fees were going to be increased. Chris - in your (absolutely correct, IMHO) report It was not mentioned that tour fees for the 2001 season were going to have to increase. Therefore I believe I'm fully entitled to bring it to light now. Paul