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Subject: Re: Tour Costs.
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OK OK. Seeing as everyone seems to think I was slagging off all Students,
and have started slagging back, I'd better put the record straight. Please
cast your minds back to the email I responded to...

"Bearing in mind that student
teams often struggle during the summer to get more than 8 or 9
players it would make it very expensive for us."

The inference from the email was that because it is not term time, student
teams find it hard fielding a full squad. I was simply saying that this is
not a good enough argument to ask for a reduction in costs. I do NOT think
that all students have no commitment to the sport, or are worse players than
Open players, as some people seemed to think I said.

Most "serious" teams (there's that word again) have loads of players who
commit to the Tour early and that's the way it should be. The Tour should
not have teams in it that have just been scraped together. That's what I
firmly believe. I know, you'll all say that there are not enough other
tournaments for teams like this to play in outside of the Tour and this is
the age old argument. Maybe now Tour tournaments are too expensive, more of
you will start organising your own.

I do agree that Student ultimate is the greatest area of growth for the
sport, and should continue to be. Now you have more  incentive to get even
more players together!

To illustrate what I was suggesting, Red will probably field squads of
around 15 players, maybe more, for all Tours. This has already been
confirmed and this includes some students from the local universities
because they realise that their own university teams would be unlikely to be
able to field a full squad.
Another instance of Uni teams organising themselves for the Tour is the
Mohawks and Mwnci See collaboration - they realised that on their own they
didn't have enough players, but together they could do it justice.

Believe it or not, I have nothing against a discount for students if there's
a good reason (although that will undoubtedly mean that us tax-payers will
be paying even more and subsidising you again ;-) ), and you've come up with
lots of more viable arguments now than lack of players and that's fair
enough.

Now please - let's stop the personal slagging, there's no need.
It looks like you'll have to wait for the next AGM to sort it all out now,
because most of the Tours are well into the organised stage. So take my
suggestion as an idea on how students can compete in the Tour without paying
astronomical costs.

Ruth
Red