From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 15:27:57 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1QFNrK18710 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:53 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1QFNqh18700 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:52 GMT Received: from chinstrap.intranet.cabal.co.uk (th-gt149-065.pool.dircon.co.uk [195.157.34.65]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1QFNkF05019 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:46 GMT Received: from ralf ([10.226.114.163]) by chinstrap.intranet.cabal.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f1QFFSY03717 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:15:28 GMT From: "Ranulf Doswell" <ralf@fysh.org> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Bringing the Game into Disrepute Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:19:24 -0000 Message-ID: <JAEFIBPBNJKPOKOIDEMMCEJDCAAA.ralf@fysh.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010226140332.21343.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > My only comment on this is that the people who would > object to such behaviour probably wouldn't be too keen > on a team name that is slang for oral sex. Joe. There is, however, a big difference between a team naming themselves, and the actions of a TD. Whilst there were quite a few teams with questionable names this weekend (Cupids, Random Fling, Mange), these can be explained away to parents as actions of a minority, and more importantly a minority that doesn't represent mainstream Ultimate. It's true that a small minority of players indulge in a joint or two at tournaments, and most of us will acknowledge that. However as soon as that ceases to be a sub-culture, it's going to have a very detrimental effect on how Ultimate is perceived. Openly endorsing and associating illegal behaviour with Ultimate is only going to cause the sport to be even further marginalised. It's a shame that this is what this debate is focusing on, but I guess this underlines the point being made - an excellent tournament is being completely overshadowed by the drugs issue. Is this what we want *all* discussion about Ultimate to focus on? For the record, the tournament this weekend was excellent - good facilities, good games and good spirit. I know that Whiplash and all the teams we talked to and played with this weekend enjoyed themselves immensely. Congratulations to the organisers for hosting their first tournament - I hope you'll be able to host some more, as it really is an excellent indoor venue. Ralf (Whiplash)