From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 13 19:14:56 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f2DJBc420006 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:11:38 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2DJBYM19971 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:11:35 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2DJBWg06694 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:11:34 GMT Received: from modem-19.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.19] helo=ben) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14cuCE-00030J-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:11:02 +0000 Message-ID: <00ac01c0abf2$61d5a2c0$135d883e@ben> From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> To: "BRITDISC" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <3AADF44F.1A7EC345@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Stop the threat to our beautiful game Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:44:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tim, Don't worry, we're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater (or sell our souls to Satan or Sky for that matter!). You're right that getting things sorted internally is the most important thing hence the proposal to become a proper players association (which I assume you haven't read judging by your emails) http://www.ukultimate.com/docs/assoc.htm Your dead wrong if you think publicity is certain to harm us. Publicity means more people have heard of the sport which means players, more teams, more local competition, cheaper membership fees, etc. Basically its good news for everyone. The 1994 Channel Four documentary on ultimate has been cited by countless people visiting freshers fair stalls as the time they first heard about ulimate. The positive preconception this gave them was invaluable for recruitment. We're not going to suddenly become premiership football overnight so chill out. Actually there is a great deal we can learn from other sports. They have after all succeeded as we hope to eventually. Its only football thats got itself in such a mess through having too much money, most other sports are doing just fine with sponsorship, etc. Anyway whos to say we can't retain our special identity as well as become more 'mainstream'? To be honest ultimate is a lot like many other minority sports. Having no referees (debate anyone?!) is certainly unusual but apart from that there are an awful lot of other people doing similar sorts of things across the country. Take it easy mate - its only a sport - not a cult. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Rogers" <trogers@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: 13 March 2001 10:19 Subject: Re: Stop the threat to our beautiful game > Yeah, your funny - but addressing the half that was not in jest. > > I am not saying anything against "improved organisation and increased > public awareness". However, the easiest way to grow the sport is not > through mass media, but from within the sport. Increasing the number of > growth centres by supporting the fledgling teams, producing a record of > players so that players without a team can find one (lots are lost after > leaving university), keeping the cost down, continuing to make the sport > attractive for those who play. If we do this then ultimate growth > should be exponential, as its growth will depend largely on its existing > population. > > Incidently, I mentioned some of these growth issues last year and we > still haven't got a register for players, the cost of ultimate is about > to go up, and I haven't seen Stirling or Strathclyde at any tournaments > this year. So where is the "improved organisation". > > Tim > Ro Sham Bo >