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From: Rob Cole <me3101@Bristol.ac.uk>
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This contains 4 parts, so just read what you want.

Parts are:	1) National Indoors (not a whinge)
		2) Spirit at the above (a whinge)
		3) Student league.

1) National Indoors

This is just another thanks to Barry and all of the Sneeky's that helped 
put on the tournie. I am very glad that we made the trek up north, just 
driving around Edinburgh on Friday night was testament to that. No 
complaints from Mythago, just a big 'Good Work Fellas'.

2) Spirit at the Nationals.

On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some 
teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call 
them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good 
spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against, 
and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all 
important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my 
view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the 
teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise 
and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds. So imagine how we felt 
after a farilt poor spirited game when Blue's call was 'We're blu and we 
don't call'. Hello? How crap is that. If you can't come up with a call, 
fine, 3 cheers (which TUI resorted to, after claiming that they were 
breaking tradition by not having a call and then being put to shame by our 
call) will do, or even worse the Hokey Kokey (my first ever call, 
sniff...). I just think that it is very sad that teams in a national 
competition are so poor spirited. I know that the games are close, and 
some close calls can be made, but spirit should still rule, we are not 
Americans after all. An example is our first game on Sunday, to go into 
either the 9-12 or 13-16 placings, against Dynamo Hamsters. This was such 
a close game, ending 7-6 us after one of our players called himself in in 
the zone, and a Hamster wasn't so sure, but being nice guys they gave it 
to us. Spirit was upheld and everyone felt better for it. After playing 
Blue we felt crap, not because we lost, but the way that the game was 
played. I think I would rather lose a well spirited game than win a poor 
spirited one. Anyway, these teams know who they are, so please do 
something about it, if not for me or my team, for Ultimate in this country.
Right, whinge Over.

3) Student League.

Great idea, as students seem to be excluded from the Ultim8 league and 
National Outdoor championships this year due to the event timings (Don't 
respond to this please, it is old ground, has already been covered, and I 
don't want to start people off again...). I remember talking to Uriel, 
Picnic and Skunks about it a long time ago, but being the disorganised 
sort, I promptly forgot all about it. IMNERHO the easiest way would be to 
have a mini tournament in say 4 or 8 regions, and then playoffs for the 
league champions, and then finals. You could even combine the latter 2 at 
one tournie I suppose. I'm sure that you could get some British University 
Sports Association (BUSA) recognition for this, as it is similar to the 
league system that they run for evey other sport. The National Student 
Outdoors should stay as it is, as this is the chance for teams to get 
together and play teams that they wouldn't normally play in the league, ie 
teams from up North, sown South, out East and West, a true National 
Championship. Anyway, just a humble captains thoughts,

replies to any of the above, particulary the spirit part are very welcome,

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Rob Cole
#7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7
me3101@bris.ac.uk
http://www.fen.bris.ac.uk/students/me3101