From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 26 13:18:24 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f2QCHnw15963 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:17:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2QCHlx15948 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:17:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from bluews.com ([193.123.230.61]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id f2QCHjg06215 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:17:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from seer.bws_europe.bluews.com by bluews.com;Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:19:01 GMT id <HLX5BCXY>; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:02:11 +0100 Message-ID: <6D293A121957D4119899009027FCB5DE18C732@bluews.com> From: Stephen Giguere <SGiguere@bluews.com> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: The flying leap point Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ruth and others, My apologies for patronising women. You're correct. In retrospect I should have said smaller players since it was one of our bigger guys that had to 'take it'. One of our smaller guys would have felt more serious effects as much as our women. As for your point, the typical scenario is... O player sees gap, runs and jumps looking to handler for the pass, lands in the zone. Point. If the hole was still there because it was a big enough gap then good, the handler could have led the pass into the end zone for the running player and not the leaping player. Really the leaping point play is simply dangerous whether some people are prepared to take it or not. If you can make a hole leaping then you can make it running. Leaping is insurance since once in the air heading towards a gap and you can't change your path it seems to declare you innocent of all potential fouls. Even if the hole was small if any D player dares to enter to take the hit it's "their own fault". Hence my later issue of the Michael Jordan point. Shall I get our indoor team out at the track practicing long jump then? Myself I could easily get 10 feet+. Then I see a two foot wide hole in the zone as long as it's still there when I leave the ground I'm home free. This is what you're telling me? This is a good idea? As for the D player moving into the hole and taking it. Since it does happen so fast a D player can start his motion towards the hole as the O player starts his run. The O player however leaps into the air at which time most D players hit the brakes and the O lands. Perhaps the D players should leap into the air as well and in the fashion of some of the kung fu movies clash with the O in mid air both of course fault free. Layout D but not aiming for the disc. In fact it might be in the best interest of the D player to leap regardles of whether the O player is attempting one of these points because it would work either way to take out a running player or leaping player. Certainly would make the game more spectacular. Hey why don't we just all give up ultimate and go play american football. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruth Taylor [mailto:ruth11@totalise.co.uk] > Sent: 26 March 2001 12:30 > To: britdisc > Subject: RE: The flying leap point > > > We all play this sport expecting a little bit of contact, > despite it being a > "non-contact" sport. > You can't tell me that you've never been clobbered by > somebody when you've > gone up for a 50/50 disc. > > I agree that this particular play might be deemed "asking for > it" on the part > of the offensive player, but as you say, it would be an > offensive foul. > This in itself should be enough to make the O player pick his > spot and land > without touching another player. Personally, I reckon that > more often than > not, when the O player has aready lept, seeing a gap, the D > player then > decides to move into the path of the leap to try to stop it. That's > instinctive and is probably more what like what happens - it > all happens so > fast it's hard to tell. But in that case, it's the D player's > own fault. > > As a woman who plays this game, I don't expect the men to > pull their plays > just because I'm on the pitch and hate the way you mentioned > that you were > only glad it wasn't one of your female players who got hit. > How patronising? > We may be smaller and lighter than you lads, but we play > knowing the risks and > are prepared to take it. If we weren't, we'd all stick to > women's Ultimate. > > As far as I'm concerned, this play is fine. If I'm hit, I'll > call it. If I'm > injured, it was an accident - I'm sure the O player didn't > mean to do it. > > I dunno, next you'll be saying that a lay-out D bid is > dangerous and shouldn't > be attempted because you "might" take out the offensive player! > > >===== Original Message From Stephen Giguere > <SGiguere@bluews.com> ===== > >Hey britdiscers, > > > >Something that's getting more and more frequently in these > >indoor games is this "play" of running in from a half to a quarter > >of the pitch away from the opposite zone, leaping into the air > >to catch the disc and fly into the end zone for the point. It's > >particularly popular against a flood defence. > >My question is... does anyone realise that this is not only really > >annoying and exhibits rather poor spirit, but is a rather dangerous > >tactic. It's only a matter of time before some clever individual > >sails into the zone and takes out someone on our team. In the > >smaller gymnasiums the wall is only just behind the defender and > >a direct collision from someone at speed in the air into a > >member of the opposing team's defence could result in very serious > >injury. I know one of my team member was clipped in the shoulder > >quite hard during one of these plays on the weekend and I was > >thankful is wasn't one of our women. > >I've played in both the States and Canada and tactics like this > >received rather harsh punishment from the leagues governing > >body and the tour directors as it is considered by the rules to > >be dangerous play. > >The annoying aspect of it aside from the above is the tendency > >for people with bad timing to try it again and again everytime > >catching the disc and THEN jumping into the zone and then > >waste time bickering about it. > >I don't expect anyone to read this email and have a revelation > >and never do it again but it would be nice for next years indoor > >teams to try to get a handle on it before we end up with these > >Michael Jordan points flying in from 6 feet outside the zone a > >good 4 feet in the air clobbering anything it it's path. > >You could say it's a perfectly legal play and if you move through > >someone it's an offensive foul. Ok fine, no point then, that's > >correct but it doesn't change the fact that one of our players might > >end up with a concussion or worse from being sent backwards > >into the wall. > > > >-Steve > >and yes I do realise these points happen accidentally sometimes. > > > ----------------------- > The Totalise Email system, probably the most flexible email > system in the > world. To register for an account goto http:/www.totalise.net >