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From: "Miranda Kuiper" <miranda_kuiper@hotmail.com>
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: ultimate rules, start stalling
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:13:57 -0000
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I am not much of a e-list writer, but this is annoying me so much I just 
want to settle this for once and for all.

I got a discussion on the pitch now a couple of times about the timing of 
starting stalling. Perhaps it's a UK thing but players around here tend to 
start stalling while the thrower-to-be is not in possession yet. The reason 
they come up with is "you are allowed to start stalling 3 meters away from 
the thrower, even if the thrower-to-be is not in possession of the disc 
yet."

Well maybe it's me, but you are only a thrower if you have possession of the 
disc. See quote of WFDF rules:

4.10 The Thrower:
 A. A player may become "the thrower" by fielding a pull, receiving 
the disc from a teammate, intercepting a pass from an opponent, or by 
picking up the disc after a turnover. Whenever the disc is on the ground 
following a turnover, whether in or out-of-bounds, any player becoming 
offense may take possession of the disc and become the thrower.

So in my view you are only allowed to start stalling if the handler is in 
possession. And yes, it that case you may start on 3 m distance. See WFDF 
rules about possession and stalling:

404.12 The Receiver:
 A. Possession: A receiver gains possession by demonstrating 
sustained contact and control of a non-spinning disc while the receiver is 
on the ground and in-bounds

404.11B. Stalling: Once a marker is within 3 m of the thrower, he or she may 
initiate a count. This consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then 
counting at one second intervals to ten.


I do know that at WC and EC a rules is used for preventing the game from any 
delay. But I cannot find the rules on the WFDF site. Based on my memory that 
rule allowed a defender to start stalling by touching the disc while the 
thrower-to-be had not touched the disc yet, in order to prevent delay in the 
game. As I remember that rule, you had to restart stalling once the thrower 
became indeed a thrower by picking up the disc. Therefore offence was only 
allowed 10 sec's to get set up.

Perhaps somebody can get hold of this specific rule, so we will all know the 
right way to start stalling. If we can find this rule, I also would like to 
know if this rule applyes only to WC and EC, or also to the Tours. Since 
they do not seem to be stated in the WFDF rules on the web-site. Once more, 
this e-mail is not to start an e-mail chain of reactions, but to settle this 
for once and for all, because I prefer not to have this discussion on the 
pitch.

Cheers,
Miranda

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