From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 14:43:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f57DdvU03317 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:39:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f57Ddup03310 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:39:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.fisher.co.uk (mailhost.fisher.co.uk [193.132.123.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f57DdtJ05907 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:39:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from SYSTEMS-Message_Server by mailhost.fisher.co.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:33:42 +0100 Message-Id: <sb1f90c6.003@mailhost.fisher.co.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:33:30 +0100 From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthewl@fisher.co.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, <miranda_kuiper@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: ultimate rules, start stalling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id f57Ddup03313 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've played at various tournaments in the UK for the last 3-4 years and to be honest I can say that I've never experienced somebody stalling me before I had the disc, at least not in any sort of "cheating" fashion. The only situations I can think of where this happens is when somebody moves to the disc ready to take possesion, but then halts before picking up the disc in order to allow his/her team time to set up. In this case I have seen the marker start stalling in order to force the player to take possesion. This situation is really a case of spirit, with the hesitation basically being an example of bad spirit. If I were you and this does happen again just call it as a foul. Of course if this is happening because you are hesitating to take possesion then there's no reason to complain in my mind. Matt Hustlers >>> "Miranda Kuiper" <miranda_kuiper@hotmail.com> 06/07/01 02:13pm >>> I am not much of a e-list writer, but this is annoying me so much I just want to settle this for once and for all. I got a discussion on the pitch now a couple of times about the timing of starting stalling. Perhaps it's a UK thing but players around here tend to start stalling while the thrower-to-be is not in possession yet. The reason they come up with is "you are allowed to start stalling 3 meters away from the thrower, even if the thrower-to-be is not in possession of the disc yet." Well maybe it's me, but you are only a thrower if you have possession of the disc. See quote of WFDF rules: 4.10 The Thrower: A. A player may become "the thrower" by fielding a pull, receiving the disc from a teammate, intercepting a pass from an opponent, or by picking up the disc after a turnover. Whenever the disc is on the ground following a turnover, whether in or out-of-bounds, any player becoming offense may take possession of the disc and become the thrower. So in my view you are only allowed to start stalling if the handler is in possession. And yes, it that case you may start on 3 m distance. See WFDF rules about possession and stalling: 404.12 The Receiver: A. Possession: A receiver gains possession by demonstrating sustained contact and control of a non-spinning disc while the receiver is on the ground and in-bounds 404.11B. Stalling: Once a marker is within 3 m of the thrower, he or she may initiate a count. This consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then counting at one second intervals to ten. I do know that at WC and EC a rules is used for preventing the game from any delay. But I cannot find the rules on the WFDF site. Based on my memory that rule allowed a defender to start stalling by touching the disc while the thrower-to-be had not touched the disc yet, in order to prevent delay in the game. As I remember that rule, you had to restart stalling once the thrower became indeed a thrower by picking up the disc. Therefore offence was only allowed 10 sec's to get set up. Perhaps somebody can get hold of this specific rule, so we will all know the right way to start stalling. If we can find this rule, I also would like to know if this rule applyes only to WC and EC, or also to the Tours. Since they do not seem to be stated in the WFDF rules on the web-site. Once more, this e-mail is not to start an e-mail chain of reactions, but to settle this for once and for all, because I prefer not to have this discussion on the pitch. Cheers, Miranda _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.