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From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com>
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: RE: ultimate rules, start stalling
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:23:39 -0700 
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Ok - so the UPA rule in effect is: (from 9th Ed. - I don't have my copy of
10th Ed.) http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ferguson/ultimate/new-rules.html

XIV 5
Stalling.
A. A defensive player within three (3) meters of the
pivot foot of the thrower may initiate a stall
count. If an offensive player moving into the
throwing position ''stands over the disc'' (i.e.,
within three meters) without putting the disc
into play, the marker may issue of ''Delay of
Game'' warning. If the disc is not picked up, the
marker may initiate a stall count.

as I understand it this pretty much squares with the WFDF Rule
(http://www.wfdf.org/2001ultirulesrev.htm)

404.11 
 B. Stalling: Once a marker is within 3 m of the thrower, he or she may
initiate a count. This consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then
counting at one second intervals to ten. If the thrower has not released the
disc by the first sound of the word "ten," then a change of possession with
a check shall result. If during the stall count, the defense switches
markers, the new marker must begin a new count at zero. In the event of a
stall, the once-marker, now offensive player, does not have to take the disc
after the check. The once-thrower, now marker, checks the disc to the new
thrower. If he or she does not want the disc, the marker "checks" the disc
by placing it on the ground and calling "In play."


BUT there is no delay of game reg. here... it seems to me that according to
the letter of the law, if you are playing WFDF rules then you can basically
stand over the disc until your team is set, and then the stall counts when
you take possession.  Spirit in this case would seem to apply...

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Wilson [mailto:agwilson@lucent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:49 AM
> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: ultimate rules, start stalling
> 
> 
> We were having a similar discussion last night at practice.
> 
> I seem to remember reading somewhere, maybe rec.sport.disc - 
> so it could be
> a UPA rule - that the D could start stalling you if you stood 
> over the disc
> without picking it up. This poses the question - what happens 
> if you change
> your mind and let someone else pick up the disc?
> 
> If you take this to its logical conclusion, you could get stalled out
> without even picking up the disc...  which doesn't seem right to me.
> 
> Is this one of those grey areas where spirit is the key?
>