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Subject: Re: Team sizes
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Geoff,

Seeing as how no-one else has commented!

Team sizes used to be smaller, particularly before the advent of the Tour.
This was mainly because it wasn't necessary to have more than about 12
players to do well, although Hombres who ruled outdoor British ultimate for
a number of years generally had a few more players.

Now to win a tour event you need to play 3 of the top sides in the country
on Saturday, beating 2 of them at least and then beat the 2 succesful teams
from the other pool in games to 17+ points (usually 19) to win.  Doing this
with less than 15 players is difficult because of the amount of energy
required to run hard for 5 games lasting up to 2 hours in 2 days.  This is
far beyond what a proffessional footballer or rugby player would be asked
to do and often leads to comments from the likes of Gerard Houllier of bias
against his team if they have to play approaching this in 12 days.

To compete at a European or World Clubs event a team must have a minimum of
12 players, with 10 available for each game or they forefiet that game.  I
think the move would be to squads of up to 20 players for major tournaments
where all the games are going to be close and only tournaments with a mix
of opposition quality allowing smaller squads to compete.

Limiting squad numbers would hurt the development in this country and put
our club teams at a disadvantage when playing abroad.

In terms of other sports, they are all moving towards our model.  Football
used to allow just 1 substitute, now in European competion the manager can
choose 3 subs out of 8 available, in Rugby subs were only allowed if the
player was medically unfit to continue now they are used as a tactical part
of the game.  Not sure of the rules in Basketball but the NBA teams seem to
have very long benches, and NFL teams choose 11? players on the pitch at
any time from a squad of about 40?

Ian Stebbing


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Subject:  Team sizes


First, and most important thanks to everyone who made last weekend go
spoothly, and thanks to everyone we played (BAF, Leeds, Clapham 2, Sharks)
after 4 months off, it was great to have another run around.

At the end of a season, I thought now was a reasonable time to make a point
that I have been thinking about for a while.  And bear in mind while
reading
this, that it does come from someone who has played in a team of ten all
weekend and can now hardly walk let alone run.

It seems to me that it would make sense to limit the size of squads that
teams can bring to tournaments, or at least limit the size of teams that
they can play for a particular match during a tournament.

In this way we would first bring our sport in line with almost every other
sport I can think of (almost all sports have a limited bench).  On top of
that, and much more importantly, it would encourage athleticism in the
players, something that we are all very proud that Ultimate requires, and
also encourage all round playing ability in everyone that plays.  Gone will
be the days when players like me who have only made 15 completed passes in
the past season (and all of these have been backwards)can still get into
teams as purely a D player, and along with that, players who can huck it
the
length of the pitch, but can't keep up on D will have a harder time making
it at the top level.

Just my feelings, and some that I know have a degree of support.  As to the
number we should limit to, 15 would be my idea, but I'm quite sure that
decision will not be mine!

personal replies welcomed,

GEOFF (soon to be axed from Fusion for offencive inadequacies)
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