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From: Roger Thomson <Roger.Thomson@oyster.com>
To: "'David Grayson'" <D.Grayson@psych.york.ac.uk>
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Subject: RE: Sudden Death
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Disclaimer: I waited 2 days for someone else to reply but none of you
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Dave,

This penalty shoot-out thing sounds like a reasonable idea, and one the new
Director of Competitions should possibly look into. But surely it would just
make far more sense to have Nationals earlier in the year, and surely that
should be a higher priority for the DoC? That way we can play the game we
all know and love instead of the farcical piece of watersport theatre that
was Sunday's final. And it happens pretty much every Nationals as far as I
can remember. Weather like that brings both teams down to a similar level of
chump-like ineptitude: the crowd were deprived of their spectacle and our
first team was deprived the chance of giving Chevron another Prague-style
spanking in front of the home crowd. 

>Ruined as a spectacle by the weather, the game trundled to a not
inevitable, but certainly 
>highly probable conclusion as Clapham won by scoring the sudden death point
downwind.

Were you playing in the same game we were? It was an exciting game to play
in and until Chevron were lucky enough to get the second upwinder it looked
far more likely that Clapham had done enough to earn the win without going
to sudden death, despite the ridiculous conditions and going a break down
very early on. We were repeatedly threatening to score upwind (and would
have scored more but for a questionable call or two <ahem!>) whereas you
guys were struggling to get the disk off your own endzone line apart from
the 2 lucky breaks you scored with. 

More to the point: why on earth did you let us play downwind offence to
start with if that made our victory highly probable or inevitable? You won
the toss!!!! Were we the only ones to realise that a gale force wind and
rain coming down at 45 degrees along the pitch might just mean it was going
to be a really upwind/downwind kind of game and therefore any team should
choose to start with the wind? I'd be careful of your feet if any of your
lot are ever left in charge of firearms....

Let me just add the hopefully obvious disclaimer that this mail is purely
about putting the record straight and in no way at all should be construed
as happiness at having kicked your northern arses all over the pitch again
this season, especially when you bleat so much for roster rule changes to
prevent us running two teams like we do, point deductions against our A not
B team, and sudden death rule changes. Have you asked the BUF for a
"Northern teams to get a 4 point lead because of poor diets" rule yet? 

Kind regards, 
The Silver Bear

'Clean Sweep' Clapham



-----Original Message-----
From: David Grayson [mailto:D.Grayson@psych.york.ac.uk]
Sent: 08 October 2001 10:19
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: Sudden Death


Just to bring another end of season thought to Britdisc.  I'm sure most 
people would agree that this years Nationals final was a bit of an 
anticlimax to a good tournament.  Ruined as a spectacle by the weather, the 
game trundled to a not inevitable, but certainly highly probable conclusion 
as Clapham won by scoring the sudden death point downwind.  4 points had 
been scored upwind - a fine effort in my opinion - compared with 22 
downwind.  As we hit sudden death, despite everyones best efforts, the 
crowd did not feel much anticipation of an exciting finish.  To be fair 
many perhaps couldn't feel their feet either but the point remains.

What is interesting is that had this scenario occured at the World Games in 
Japan this year, the contest would have been settled penalty shoot out 
style.  My understanding is that each team would have had one posession at 
scoring one way, then the same in the other direction, and so on until one 
team scored their posession and the other team didn't.

Had this been the finish, then we would have had the situation where both 
teams would actually have to attempt to score without a turnover - i.e. not 
simply huck and chase downwind and it would have been potentially much more 
exciting.  It may even have answered some of the critics who were 
apparently saying "gee these 2 teams aren't even very good at playing 
downwind".  But probably not.

I think this sounds a good way of settling a game should it get to sudden 
death and would be happy if it was made the norm in Ultimate.  Anyone know 
how it was received in Japan or if there is any suggestion of adopting it 
at World level?

Let me just add the hopefully obvious disclaimer that this is in no way 
sour grapes at having lost the final.  Congratulations to Clapham on 
drawing 2-2 with us...

Dave.
Chevron.


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