From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 12 23:15:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9CMAqP28192 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:10:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9CMAnX28182 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:10:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from server-7.tower-4.starlabs.net (mail.london-1.starlabs.net [212.125.75.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9CMAnC07451 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:10:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200110122210.f9CMAnC07451@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 22283 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 22:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-7.tower-4.starlabs.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 22:10:28 -0000 Received: by excgfd01.uk.gases.boc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4YDF6M20>; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:11:00 +0100 From: "Cahill,Maria" <Maria.Cahill@uk.gases.boc.com> To: Sean Holden <sean.holden@framestore.co.uk>, "'info@hammerage.com'" <info@hammerage.com>, "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Savage Tournie London Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ken/Sean, I have no agenda in this instance (shyeah right!!), like I said I heard a few people talking about this particular tournament and playing savage in a stadium sounds completely kick ass... congrats to whoever thought up the idea. It seems obvious to me, though, that if you are going to organise a savage tournament for the top twelve teams and not make it compulsory co-ed, no team is going to willingly invite women to play as, in most instances, it will obviously weaken their squad. (No offence meant, ladies) So... it's a twelve team tournament right? Well why not make each team play with one woman, I bet there are twelve keen ladies out there. That way everyone's a winner. If it is not possible this year then there is always next time round. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Sean Holden [mailto:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 11 October 2001 6:35 PM To: Cahill,Maria Subject: Re: Savage Tournie London Not my tournament, can't make that decision. I was just surprised with the reaction. I can understand that it is hard for women. My point was just that how do you think women would react if there was a men only tournament? I realise that this tournament wasn't intended for this and that it does appear to be going down that road, but there are women only tournaments that occur, albeit not often, and it looked like the problem here is that this tournament has become men only. So, are we only allowed womens/coed/open tournaments? Maybe I came over incorrectly. I wasn't trying to offend, just raise an opposing view. Sean "Cahill,Maria" wrote: > Sean, > > If this is the tournament I have heard people chatting about, it sounds > pretty exciting and I too would love to be a part of it. Did I get the > impression from Becca's last mail that there is no opportunity of holding a > co-ed division? I'm sure there are quite a few women who would love to be > involved. > > Maria > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Humphries [mailto:beccahumphries@hotmail.com] > Sent: 11 October 2001 10:18 AM > To: sean.holden@framestore.co.uk; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Savage Tournie London > > Great argument Sean!!!! The female players in this country are soooooo > selfish organising their own tournaments!!!! The Savage tournie is not men's > only, it's Open. > > The point I was trying to make is Open tournaments make it really hard for > women to find teams and compete fairly at a high level. If you want a > tournament to have mixed teams I think it is a good idea to specify the > split. > > If not, fine, have an Open tournament, I totally appreciate why people, > including myself, like playing single sex Ultimate. However, maybe a women's > division should be offered at these tournaments AND the final should be > played on the top field before the Open final. > > The Savage tournie, because of field and time restrictions was probably not > a good example - my apologies. > > Nuff said, I'll stop filling your inboxes. > > Becca > > > >From: "Sean Holden" > >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > >Subject: Re: Savage Tournie London > >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:01:37 +0100 > > > >Whilst I agree with your sentiments in principal, what I think you are > >saying is that you are unhappy that this will be an all mens event. > >When > >have any men complained about the fact that women organise > >tournaments purely for themselves? > > > >Sean (Druids. The only top 4 team to have a women playing for them) > > > > > > _____ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > <http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp> > > ********************************************************************* > This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for > the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus > Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use > local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. > ********************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* > This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for > the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus > Control Centre. 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