From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 15:34:37 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9VFUpD25487 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:30:51 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9VFUoX25482 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:30:50 GMT Received: from exch-student.livjm.ac.uk (exch-student.livjm.ac.uk [150.204.254.55]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9VFUnR01436 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:30:49 GMT Received: by exch-student.livjm.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <V6AJJDXT>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:30:44 -0000 Message-ID: <5490A5070B3DD411B0FD00508B60C645ABC506@exch-student.livjm.ac.uk> From: Deffley Leanne <ECSLDEFF@livjm.ac.uk> To: "'eastman.pd@pg.com'" <eastman.pd@pg.com> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: women Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:30:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id f9VFUoX25483 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Yeah, I think our arguments are heading in different directions. I am really interested in how the profile of women players can be raised; particularly in student ultimate simply because that is where the majority of beginners come from. I think that there is a lot of feeling of discontentment on the part of women that are trying to play with and against men. That is why I suggested the possibility of student co-ed, as an idea only. I have been told that in Australia, all of the tournaments apart from nationals are co-ed and that that system is successful. I wanted to see what people thought of this. I've just been trying to think of ways in which women can be encouraged to keep playing ultimate and working against factors that discourage them from playing. Leanne -----Original Message----- From: eastman.pd@pg.com [mailto:eastman.pd@pg.com] Sent: 31 October 2001 15:06 To: Deffley Leanne Subject: RE: women Leanne, My email was intended to discuss the point that it is often seen that men don't want to pass to women, because they think they'll either drop the disc or throw it away. These points can only be addressed by increasing the skill level, they obviously have nothing to do with with physical size and shape which is not, and can not be, disputed. The game of ultimate will not improve significantly if all members of the game who wish to play at a high level don't put in the levels of effort which is required. This doesn't only relate to women, but to me n as well. Imagine if the Players of Clapham, Chevy, Leeds, Fusion, Druids etc... didn't go out and practice until their arms were tired how good they'd be. The simple answer is S*£t. We can't expect ot have HIGH levels of compertition if those taking part only percive the sport as a casual pass time. If this is how you want to play the sport then there ARE tournaments which you can take part in. If you want to play at the TOP levels then there needs to be very large levels of commitmemnt. For the student communities the top levels are their National(Indoor and Outdoor), and the open level Tour and Nations again. You can't make the sport better by saying that we have to force women to play in these tournaments. Over time as the commitement becomes larger then hopefully people will realise that co-ed is the way forward and the popularity of these event will increase and maybe overshadow the Open series. It will however take time and effort. A few more thoughts. Paul Eastman