From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 15:41:15 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9VFbSb27537 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:37:28 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9VFbNX27513 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:37:23 GMT Received: from mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (mail.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9VFavR02414 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:36:57 GMT Received: from tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk (tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.206]) by mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f9VFauN10791; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:36:56 GMT Received: from localhost (booth@localhost) by tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.8.2) with ESMTP id f9VFauk26855; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:36:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk: booth owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:36:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Ben Booth <booth@atm.ox.ac.uk> To: <Jesper.Snorgaard@csplc.com> cc: <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: re: women - mixed In-Reply-To: <OF93366F6E.17537C54-ON80256AF6.004FD466@csplc.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110311517080.23784-100000@tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jasper, That's the point though isn't it. Why aren't there more women in ultimate in the UK/in student ultimate? Because it is very difficult for women to come into the sport and find a niche, for one reason or another. I haven't managed to pin down why. It is difficult to move into such a male dominated environment - I've friends who've given up because they find that they just don't get the disc. Women play differently - they can make it to an equally good level - they just don't do the dominating the in air tall boy stuff. It is as much an issue for the rest of the men on the teams - what incentive have we got to learn how to play with women/ read their cuts when we generally have 5 other guys doing the air dominating stuff which we can throw to? If teams where made to be mixed - you might start getting that synergy - just as many teams would be fielded -because each team would then need to be mixed - suddenly women in ultimate have qudos - you'd have teams all over the uk who would take the recruitment and developement of women seriously. Sure, many teams would still be the all male handlers doing the bulk, but the successful teams would be the teams that learnt to play with all their players. [I'm not knocking the teams out there who are already doing this - but it would then happen on a much larger scale] Maybe all women tournaments are the answer - but you still don't get past that issue of how do you get men and women to learn to play together - it's got to be mixed I recon. Ben On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 Jesper.Snorgaard@csplc.com wrote: > > Becca, > > I think it could be an interesting idea but unfortunately making students > co-ed is not possible. Most uni clubs just simply do not have enough women. > Last year we had about 7 women in the club. Some more dedicated than others > and even that wouldn't ensure they could make it to the tourneys. That was > a good year for us. The other years I have played we have not had that many > women and that would be even worse. > > My point is if you make student nationals 2-5 split then a lot of teams > would be unable to enter. Sorry but there aren't enough women in student > ultimate for it. I would encourage women to play and have tried. We did > have a woman on our student team last year and she played as much as any of > us and still came 2nd so keep them coming... > > Jesper > > > > > > > "Rebecca Humphries" <beccahumphries@hotmail.com>@warwick.ac.uk on > 31/10/2001 14:04:29 > > Sent by: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk > > > To: maaafy_bird@yahoo.co.uk, Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > cc: > > Subject: re: women > > > > > Want some more opinion - I doubt it!! > > Just a thought, but can't student regionals/nationals etc be a 2-5 split. > You don't need to organise a whole new student competition, just change the > gender criteria (it's not strictly co-ed so you don't even have to call it > that). > > It's bloody tough being a woman in student frisbee. When I left uni no one > wanted us to play in their teams, so a group of chicks organised their own > team - Funky Nuns/Women in Black - and spent a year and a half losing every > game we played!! > > Attitudes towards women players has to change at the roots - women will > practise, practise, practise if they think it's worth their while. > > > > > > >From: Nicole Roberts > >To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > >Subject: re: women > >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:34:01 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Personally, if that's the way that leeds play then I > >feel very sorry for Anna. > > > >If you look at the top four teams in student nationals > >last year, 3 of them had a woman playing for them. I > >appreciate that one out of fifteen isn't much, but > >it's a start. > > > >A student co-ed tournament is, in my opinion, an > >excellent idea, however it's ran (a 5-2 ratio may be > >necessary). > > > >By effectively forcing women on the pitch by playing > >co-ed can only improve the playing standard of student > >women's ultimate, as if any team actually wants to do > >reasonably well then they'll have to use all seven > >players, not just players without breasts... > > > >Anyroad, this is probably a bit of a pointless mail > >unless we have some university that's willing to host > >co-ed nationals, and a weekend that doesn't clash with > >either easter holidays, paganello, open nationals or > >those horrid things we call finals... > > > >Okay, had my tuppence, back to work > > > >nicole > >mohawks > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Nokia Game is on again. > >Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new > >all media adventure before November 3rd. > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > ************************************************************************************** > > This e-mail is confidential and may contain privileged information. > If you are not the addressee it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, > distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail. > If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. > Cadbury Trebor Bassett Registered Office, > Hertford Place, Denham Way, Maple Cross, Hertfordshire WD3 9XB > > ************************************************************************************** >