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From: "Dowse, Timothy" <tim.dowse@ic.ac.uk>
To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: women
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:16:45 -0000 
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I don't think it is unreasonable to say that ON AVERAGE women are smaller
and slower and less strong then men.  Obviously there are always exceptions
(small feeble men like me and massive tall power house
unbelievably-good-at-ultimate women).  But I think it is perfectly
reasonable to say that there are more men at the top of open ultimate than
women because of average physical attributes, not to mention any of the
other factors that have been discussed.  I know we live in an age of
equality, but I don't think you can take an set of guys and a set of girls
and say that the girls have an equal chance of getting to the top open teams
in the country as the guys. 
Anyway, much of the gap between men and women lies in speed, not size.  And
you can't tell me that women can run just as fast as men.  Look at the
fastest women in the world.  They could not compete with the fastest men.
And so the trend continues down to the us lesser athletes.  
Be realistic
Tim Dowse

-----Original Message-----
From: Jaimie Cross
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Sent: 11/1/2001 2:45 PM

To say that women can't compete because of their (lack of) physical 
attributes is ridiculous. The top three teams in the country this year
all 
had 'small' men playing for them (Aram, Kenny, Beege). All of whom I 
wouldn't like to mark, cos they can change direction a lot quicker than
me. 
Similarly I'm sure none of them would want to mark me if I was sprinting

long. Ultimate is not played by 6 foot plus olympic sprinters, it is
played 
by a wide variety of shapes and sizes. If anyone, man or woman, wants to

make it to the top of the game, they can, and do.
If Rebecca wants to encourage female players, then instead of trying to
dump 
the responsibility on student teams (who have a hard enough time as it
is of 
getting respect with in the game as it is), why didn't she stand for the

board of directors and push for it at a national level. If you want 
something doing well, do it yourself. If you aren't playing enough, with
the 
right mix, in the right place, organise a tournament yourelf, make up
the 
rules and ENJOY.

Jaimie

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