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From: Andy Cotgreave <Andy.Cotgreave@RCP.co.uk>
To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:14:30 -0000
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I'm sorry but I am on Ben's side. 
 
If a team turns up with too few players (ie less than ironman), they are
ruining the games for all their opponents over that weekend. If the
tournament director has to reschedule due to a team dropping out, that is a
ridiculous amount of extra work for him/her. There are not many valid
excuses for team members not coming to a tournament they have already
committed to. Gauging your work commitments, or your "other life"
commitments should happen BEFORE you tell your team captain you can go to a
tournament, not a couple of days beforehand. If you turn up Ironman, then
it's just about excusable, but it only takes on injury before you're going
to disappoint your opponents.
 
This is the QUALIFIER for the indoor NATIONALS, and if you're committed to
schmindoors, then it's an important tournament. Looking for pickups so late
in the day is letting down the rest of the teams who are committed to making
it a competitive tournament.
 
Andy
Chevron
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Godber [mailto:Andrew.Godber@arup.com]
Sent: 22 February 2002 16:49
To: 'ben@ravilious.net'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
Subject: RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required



Ben, 

I am sure that I am not the only person that finds that comment a little bit
patronising and degrading for the frisbee teams out there that want
pick-ups. We are also struggling for numbers (10 people for 2 teams), but we
are still going to the tournaments. It was briefly suggested that we drop
out of one, but that was immediately dismissed because it would be a crap
thing to do to the organisers. There are times when, despite having 20-30
active club members, other issues (Injury, work, and just other life
commitments) take hold, and our squads are reduced for tournaments. I am
sure this has happened to other teams, and that is why they are keen to get
pick-ups, and avoid missing the tournament altogether. One of the great
things about Ultimate is the way that it makes people want to play as much
as possible, and I am sure that people are not pulling out because they just
don't feel like it.

I am sorry to go on and on. This was not meant to be an e-mail entirely
be-moaning our situation, but to ask you if you just want the 5 biggest/best
clubs to turn up to each regional qualifier, and forget about the rest of
the other competitors? Because obviously 'us people' are apparently spoiling
the sport for the rest of you. I am entirely in favour of the
registration/rostering process, but I think you could have phrased your
point a little bit better.

*Looking forward to running all weekend in an iron-man team* 

Andrew Godber 
Slipdisc 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Ravilious [ mailto:ben@ravilious.net <mailto:ben@ravilious.net> ] 
Sent: 22 February 2002 16:42 
To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Martin Burke 
Subject: Re: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required 




...and 'they' won't let you play in another event until you've registered
and paid any dues. 

Why do you people bother entering the nationals if you can't even get a team
together? 

Ben 
UK Ultimate 


---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: "Martin Burke" <martin@suht.swest.nhs.uk> 

>We'll sort the rostering out tomorrow if need be, but remember >they won't
let you play for someone else at the nationals if 

>we don't qualify.