From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 22 17:50:02 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MHo1C09706 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:50:01 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MHjCE15562; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:45:12 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1MHi40K018880 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:04 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g1MHi4C5018879 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:04 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1MHi30K018874 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:03 GMT Received: from mail.ravilious.net ([212.38.89.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MHi3E15355 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:03 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:52:16 +0000 Message-Id: <200202221752.AA38863724@mail.ravilious.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> Reply-To: <ben@ravilious.net> X-Sender: <ben@mail.ravilious.net> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Andrew Godber <Andrew.Godber@arup.com> Subject: RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required X-Mailer: <IMail v6.05> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew and others, To be blunt with you, no I don't think it was either patronising or degrading especially as the team in question are all experienced players who have been playing for years. Every year we get something kicking off because one team or another fields ineligible players or otherwise tries to wing it. The fall-out is usually blame on the organisation for not explaining or communicating something. This year not only are we trying to run things more professionally but there is players hard cash involved - therefore the rules have to be applied. Because this has been somewhat hurried we have said we are willing to make concessions - but ONLY if teams let us know their problems. If a team really has a genuine problem (e.g. someone is badly hurt or they all go down with the 'flu) then of course we can be flexible - just let us know. Touting for pick-ups for Nationals on Britdisc after the roster deadline does not count as 'letting us know' in my book. I repeat what I said earlier in the week, if you want to play in laid back events where noone really minds who you play for then go check out the calendar - there is such a great choice nowadays. The nationals however is the one and only time when this is not acceptable because teams expect a well run and properly policed championship. And for the record I too have work and life commitments (no really!) which is why you must forgive me if I get just a *little* annoyed by teams that just don't give a damn at events which we've worked hard to improve. Enjoy the weekend wherever you are and don't feed the Space Monkeys. Ben ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Andrew Godber <Andrew.Godber@arup.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:01 -0000 >Ben, > >I am sure that I am not the only person that finds that comment a little bit >patronising and degrading for the frisbee teams out there that want >pick-ups. We are also struggling for numbers (10 people for 2 teams), but we >are still going to the tournaments. It was briefly suggested that we drop >out of one, but that was immediately dismissed because it would be a crap >thing to do to the organisers. There are times when, despite having 20-30 >active club members, other issues (Injury, work, and just other life >commitments) take hold, and our squads are reduced for tournaments. I am >sure this has happened to other teams, and that is why they are keen to get >pick-ups, and avoid missing the tournament altogether. One of the great >things about Ultimate is the way that it makes people want to play as much >as possible, and I am sure that people are not pulling out because they just >don't feel like it. > >I am sorry to go on and on. This was not meant to be an e-mail entirely >be-moaning our situation, but to ask you if you just want the 5 biggest/best >clubs to turn up to each regional qualifier, and forget about the rest of >the other competitors? Because obviously 'us people' are apparently spoiling >the sport for the rest of you. I am entirely in favour of the >registration/rostering process, but I think you could have phrased your >point a little bit better. > >*Looking forward to running all weekend in an iron-man team* > >Andrew Godber >Slipdisc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ravilious [mailto:ben@ravilious.net] >Sent: 22 February 2002 16:42 >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Martin Burke >Subject: Re: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required > > > > >...and 'they' won't let you play in another event until you've registered >and paid any dues. > >Why do you people bother entering the nationals if you can't even get a team >together? > >Ben >UK Ultimate > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Martin Burke" <martin@suht.swest.nhs.uk> > >>We'll sort the rostering out tomorrow if need be, but remember >they won't >let you play for someone else at the nationals if >>we don't qualify. > > >