From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 22 10:45:15 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MAjER14805 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:45:14 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MAdRn13329; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:39:27 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2MAZT0K011003 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:35:29 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g2MAZTWr011002 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:35:29 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2MAZT0K010997 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:35:29 GMT Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2MAZQn12647 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:35:27 GMT Message-ID: <20020322103525.73182.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.83.198.6] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:35:25 PST Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: sam rey <samanir32@yahoo.com> Subject: shaftin' and other difficulties To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-710148533-1016793325=:70212" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --0-710148533-1016793325=:70212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have played Ultimate for a few years now. I have watched many players and a few teams, therefore I would like to respond with views (not answers) to some of the comments flying around. My team(s) have always come in about half way up the seed tables and this is more to do with how they practice and how seriously they take the game. “The Tour was designed to be elitist, when changed to a 32 team knockout.” I was under the impression that it was to improve the ‘top teams’ abilities, improve their games standard and give them a better shot at Worlds and on the continent generally. Has this worked… I get the impression it has. Even though I am not a part of it, I am glad for those who are, that they have this option. “Shortage of non-Tour events & more 'recreational' level.” It’s true, with all the Official events going on there seems little space for other more fun events, and they have to shuffle around each other in hopes of a date that will produce enough teams to pay for itself. “Are we losing or alienating some potential outdoor players?” It take a significant attitude from the organisers of any team to not alienate some players (don’t get me started on this subject tho). It happens, and at various levels. “Students” last year, approximately a third of our students didn’t play either outdoors or during the summer. I have not asked why, but thankfully most are back with us again this year. But a substantial number did not pickup with any local team when they went home for summer, and this is an unfortunate situation. “Beginners” Our second team has many beginners and there is no option but to enter them into the Tour as the main source of game and experience. Now for the controversial bit. In Canada, I have heard they have a three tier league system in place like soccer here. Obviously we don’t have the numbers, but would it be worth considering 2 smaller divisional events rather than 1 massive tour event. More smaller venues would be available (more towns could host locally) and both divisions could still play the same weekends. There would be a promotional/relegation concept to the top and bottom teams in each division. New teams/players would feel that ‘deep end’ feeling and top teams still get the bonus of better/equivalent quality weekends. It might mean that teams like mine might actually win an event occasionally. Two penneth, thanks for your time. Sam (Controversially, Nottingham Ultimate) Sam Nottingham Ultimate 07866 336643 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® --0-710148533-1016793325=:70212 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have played Ultimate for a few years now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have watched many players and a few teams, therefore I would like to respond with views (not answers) to some of the comments flying around.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My team(s) have always come in about half way up the seed tables and this is more to do with how they practice and how seriously they take the game.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“The Tour was designed to be elitist, when changed to a 32 team knockout.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was under the impression that it was to improve the ‘top teams’ abilities, improve their games standard and give them a better shot at Worlds and on the continent generally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Has this worked… I get the impression it has.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even though I am not a part of it, I am glad for those who are, that they have this option.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Shortage of non-Tour events & more 'recreational' level.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It’s true, with all the Official events going on there seems little space for other more fun events, and they have to shuffle around each other in hopes of a date that will produce enough teams to pay for itself.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Are we losing or alienating some potential outdoor players?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It take a significant attitude from the organisers of any team to not alienate some players (don’t get me started on this subject tho).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It happens, and at various levels.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Students” last year, approximately a third of our students didn’t play either outdoors or during the summer.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have not asked why, but thankfully most are back with us again this year.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But a substantial number did not pickup with any local team when they went home for summer, and this is an unfortunate situation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Beginners”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our second team has many beginners and there is no option but to enter them into the Tour as the main source of game and experience.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now for the controversial bit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In Canada, I have heard they have a three tier league system in place like soccer here.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Obviously we don’t have the numbers, but would it be worth considering 2 smaller divisional events rather than 1 massive tour event.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>More smaller venues would be available (more towns could host locally) and both divisions could still play the same weekends.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There would be a promotional/relegation concept to the top and bottom teams in each division.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>New teams/players would feel that ‘deep end’ feeling and top teams still get the bonus of better/equivalent quality weekends.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It might mean that teams like mine might actually win an event occas! ionally.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Two penneth, thanks for your time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sam<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(Controversially, Nottingham Ultimate)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR><BR><P>Sam</P> <P>Nottingham Ultimate</P> <P>07866 336643</P> <P> </P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> <a href="$rd_url/tag/http://movies.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! 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