From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 27 11:40:12 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBeBR26384 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:40:11 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBX2n04912; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:33:02 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBUD0K025398 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:30:13 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g2RBUDVn025397 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:30:13 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBUC0K025392 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:30:12 GMT Received: from dispatch1.mail.gxn.net (dispatch1.mail.gxn.net [195.224.255.102]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBUCv12282 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:30:12 GMT Received: from [195.224.196.226] (helo=mail.Pointgold) by dispatch1.mail.gxn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16qBf0-0001fq-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:32:10 +0000 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <G67G9TLF>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:28:59 -0000 Message-ID: <C13F852FDD93D31195EA00508B7493BB437C48@MAIL> From: Steve Henderson <HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk> To: "'Adam Batchelor'" <adam.batchelor@virgin.net> Cc: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: membership fees and other questions Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:28:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The AGM. No I was not there. Can I ask how many people were? I have not met a single person who was. Elected democratically? Same question. By how many people? Discussed on britdisc? not in any details BEFORE THE EVENT. Do I read my emails? Yes My sums don't work? 1000 members. membership fees between 16 and 25 quid. You do the sums. If I am getting things so wrong, do you not think my statement of MORE VISIBILITY is valid??? -----Original Message----- From: Adam Batchelor [mailto:adam.batchelor@virgin.net] Sent: 27 March 2002 11:17 To: Steve Henderson Cc: britdisc Subject: Re: membership fees and other questions Ummm... AGM - yes that was a forum. Discussed on britdisc... Well it was advertised and a site dedicated to it. Were we elected democratically... yes Do you read your e-mails? Adam Batchelor Director UKUA PS Your sums don't work! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Henderson <HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk> To: <administrator@ukultimate.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: membership fees and other questions > To the UK Ultimate Association > > I do not know if these have been asked / answered on Britdisc or anywhere > else, but now that you have collected around twenty thousand pounds in > membership fees, where is this money going? > What benefits am I getting this year as a fully paid-up member compared to > the last eight years? Medical insurance? etc > > Am I correct in that the membership fees are required only for the tour and > the indoor/outdoor nationals - ie seven tournaments. > If there is any medical insurance for members (or any other membership > benefits), is it only for these seven tournaments? > > If the fees are in part to be used for "Promotion of the Game" and to make > events more professional, why was there not a single advert in Bradford for > the National Indoor Championship Finals; no party for the evening; not even > a couple of bits of paper stuck on a wall somewhere to show rosters/results. > > While we are talking professionalism here, is ukultimate.com the official > website for the Association? > If so, why where are there no details about the Tour venues for this year > (...and the indoor finals were shown as being in Leeds) > > > Apologies if I am missing the point here, but if this is an association - > i.e. a body of people with a common purpose - how do the members > needs/wants/requirements get debated/answered/resolved. > You could just say: "Use britdisc" - as that is where everything is debated > and questioned. > But if that is the case, why was something so fundamental as THE FORMATION > OF THE ASSOCIATION and all of the details surrounding this event not > discussed on Britdisc BEFORE the event. > > I am now being told by people who I don't know to pay fees to an association > that I have no visibility into, no control over, and no opportunity to > debate about association goals, or vote for committee members... just to > play a game I have been happily playing for nine years. > What is the deal here? Am I missing something obvious?? > > Thanks. (and minor apologies for the almost-rant with little thought or > structure) > > Steve Henderson > (Bonkers) > (Stonkers) > (Geordie Whore) > > This communication contains confidential information which may also be > privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee named > above. If you are not the intended addressee any form of distribution, > copying or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error please notify the sender by e-mail or > by telephone 0191 2366661 and delete it from your system and destroy any > copies of it. > This communication contains confidential information which may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee named above. If you are not the intended addressee any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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