From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 27 11:50:04 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBo3R27886 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:50:03 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBmRn07695; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:48:27 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBjb0K025521 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:45:37 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g2RBjb8o025520 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:45:37 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBja0K025515 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:45:36 GMT Received: from extrelay1.lehman.com (extrelay1.Lehman.COM [192.147.58.144]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBjYn07240 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:45:34 GMT Received: from smtprelay03.lehman.com (smtprelay03.lehman.com [10.5.163.97]) by extrelay1.lehman.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F6F580B3; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 147.62.120.180 by smtprelay03.lehman.com with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7);); Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:45:27 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: 6f70d564-fb91-11d4-8d7a-0002a52cad74 Message-ID: <5FBC330944D3D41199AE0002A513ADBD061E73E3@exlon05.lehman.com> From: "Flores, Aram" <aflores@lehman.com> To: "'Steve Henderson'" <HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk>, "'administrator@ukultimate.freeserve.co.uk'" <administrator@ukultimate.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: membership fees and other questions Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:45:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) X-WSS-ID: 10BF6F5C150901-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk id g2RBjb0K025516 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Steve and All, Not one to usually defend Ultimate bureaucrats, but this has been EXHAUSTIVELY discussed on britdisc, elections were very well publicised, and you can't realistically expect any meaningful insurance for £25 a year. I think the people that handled the transition did an admirable job (especially as they are volunteers). I hope that the Ultimate community has more realistic expectations for the UKU. I, for one, would be satisfied with an up-to-date website and a newsletter for my £25 this year (keeping in mind that we aren't paying tournament taxes anymore) and hopeful of better things next year. Aram CU#11 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Henderson [mailto:HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk] Sent: 27 March 2002 11:04 To: 'administrator@ukultimate.freeserve.co.uk' Cc: 'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' Subject: membership fees and other questions To the UK Ultimate Association I do not know if these have been asked / answered on Britdisc or anywhere else, but now that you have collected around twenty thousand pounds in membership fees, where is this money going? What benefits am I getting this year as a fully paid-up member compared to the last eight years? Medical insurance? etc Am I correct in that the membership fees are required only for the tour and the indoor/outdoor nationals - ie seven tournaments. If there is any medical insurance for members (or any other membership benefits), is it only for these seven tournaments? If the fees are in part to be used for "Promotion of the Game" and to make events more professional, why was there not a single advert in Bradford for the National Indoor Championship Finals; no party for the evening; not even a couple of bits of paper stuck on a wall somewhere to show rosters/results. While we are talking professionalism here, is ukultimate.com the official website for the Association? If so, why where are there no details about the Tour venues for this year (...and the indoor finals were shown as being in Leeds) Apologies if I am missing the point here, but if this is an association - i.e. a body of people with a common purpose - how do the members needs/wants/requirements get debated/answered/resolved. You could just say: "Use britdisc" - as that is where everything is debated and questioned. But if that is the case, why was something so fundamental as THE FORMATION OF THE ASSOCIATION and all of the details surrounding this event not discussed on Britdisc BEFORE the event. I am now being told by people who I don't know to pay fees to an association that I have no visibility into, no control over, and no opportunity to debate about association goals, or vote for committee members... just to play a game I have been happily playing for nine years. What is the deal here? Am I missing something obvious?? Thanks. 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