From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 27 12:03:22 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RC3JR00155 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:03:20 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RC0Bn10021; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:00:17 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBv60K025628 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:57:06 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g2RBv6lK025627 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:57:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2RBv50K025622 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:57:05 GMT Received: from mail.ravilious.net ([212.38.89.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2RBv4n09359 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:57:05 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:06:44 +0000 Message-Id: <200203271206.AA14877132@mail.ravilious.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> Reply-To: <ben@ravilious.net> X-Sender: <ben@mail.ravilious.net> To: Steve Henderson <HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk> CC: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: membership fees and other questions X-Mailer: <IMail v6.05> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Steve, To answer your questions before a full civil war erupts.....! Better transparency is absolutely vital - you're spot on there. Unfortunately (and ironically) its quite hard to create a more transparent organisation when you aren't very transparent in the first place! Don't worry - we're almost there and the number one benefit of your membership is will be a regular newsletter. Full details of the proposal which was accepted last year is available here: http://www.ukultimate.com/docs/assoc.htm Our voting system has now also changed so the next board of directors will be voted in (by postal vote) by player members such as yourself. Can't offer you much more transparent than that! Hope you approve, (if not then stand against me at the next election ;-) Cheers Ben President UK Ultimate ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Steve Henderson <HendersonS@Cityphone.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:04:29 -0000 >To the UK Ultimate Association > >I do not know if these have been asked / answered on Britdisc or anywhere >else, but now that you have collected around twenty thousand pounds in >membership fees, where is this money going? >What benefits am I getting this year as a fully paid-up member compared to >the last eight years? Medical insurance? etc > >Am I correct in that the membership fees are required only for the tour and >the indoor/outdoor nationals - ie seven tournaments. >If there is any medical insurance for members (or any other membership >benefits), is it only for these seven tournaments? > >If the fees are in part to be used for "Promotion of the Game" and to make >events more professional, why was there not a single advert in Bradford for >the National Indoor Championship Finals; no party for the evening; not even >a couple of bits of paper stuck on a wall somewhere to show rosters/results. > >While we are talking professionalism here, is ukultimate.com the official >website for the Association? >If so, why where are there no details about the Tour venues for this year >(...and the indoor finals were shown as being in Leeds) > > >Apologies if I am missing the point here, but if this is an association - >i.e. a body of people with a common purpose - how do the members >needs/wants/requirements get debated/answered/resolved. >You could just say: "Use britdisc" - as that is where everything is debated >and questioned. >But if that is the case, why was something so fundamental as THE FORMATION >OF THE ASSOCIATION and all of the details surrounding this event not >discussed on Britdisc BEFORE the event. > >I am now being told by people who I don't know to pay fees to an association >that I have no visibility into, no control over, and no opportunity to >debate about association goals, or vote for committee members... just to >play a game I have been happily playing for nine years. >What is the deal here? Am I missing something obvious?? > >Thanks. (and minor apologies for the almost-rant with little thought or >structure) > >Steve Henderson >(Bonkers) >(Stonkers) >(Geordie Whore) > >This communication contains confidential information which may also be >privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee named >above. If you are not the intended addressee any form of distribution, >copying or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >received this communication in error please notify the sender by e-mail or >by telephone 0191 2366661 and delete it from your system and destroy any >copies of it. >