From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 15:44:58 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38Eivd08335 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:44:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38EdW706492; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:39:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38EafQR027335 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:36:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g38EaflS027334 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:36:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38EaeQR027329 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:36:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail1.birmingham.gov.uk (bccmail.birmingham.gov.uk [80.86.36.103]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38Ead705744 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:36:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from birmingham.gov.uk (unverified) by mail1.birmingham.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with SMTP id <T5a229c99430a5ac1c909e@mail1.birmingham.gov.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:29:04 +0100 Received: by birmingham.gov.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 80256B95.004FA215 ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:29:48 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: BCC From: "Simon Statham" <Simon_Statham@birmingham.gov.uk> To: "Evans, Alex" <Alex.Evans@roomsolutions.net> cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256B95.004FA025.00@birmingham.gov.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:33:34 +0100 Subject: RE: The Tour/Relegation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't want to turn this into a personal battle, it just seems that the attitude is very much that the top teams can play in whatever tournaments they like but if there's not enough space then the lower teams have to miss out. I wonder what would have happened if there were only 32 places at Tour 1 and Clapham forgot to get their cheque in in time, for whatever reason? There must've been other venues considered for the Tour events, some even put forward from lower teams, so the potential was there to have this second division. I just don't think enough is done for those of us who don't play at the same level you do. Also, 2 smaller divisions would give a chance for smaller venues to be considered. Those which are more likely to be run by the lower teams. "Evans, Alex" <Alex.Evans@roomsolutions.net> on 08/04/2002 15:28:25 To: Simon Statham/Transportation/BCC@BCC cc: Subject: RE: The Tour/Relegation The "I'm alright Jack, attitude"? Are you suggesting that one of the players from the top teams organises second division tournaments for the same weekend that they're playing in the tour? Could happen I suppose, but it would be a far bigger sacrifice than for someone likely to be playing in the lower division. I agree that a second division would be a great idea, but as always it's about finding the venues & volunteers to host events. How on Earth you figured that 'top teams' are to blame for this is beyond me. Alex Clapham U -----Original Message----- From: Simon Statham [mailto:Simon_Statham@birmingham.gov.uk] Sent: 08 April 2002 14:55 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: The Tour/Relegation Carrying on from a debate that was raging a few weeks ago about the future of the Tour etc., with the possibilities of having an upper and lower tier etc. At the time I didn't really have an opinion, I thought it was all going ok. But now I read that there are 48 teams entered in Tour 1 and that it is likely that there will have to be relegation of some of the bottom teams because Tour 2 and Tour 3 can't accommodate this number of teams, or that more than 48 teams wanted to enter so the others are given a chance in the other Tours. I have to ask what happens to the teams who are relegated from Tour 1? When and where do they get to play their Ulitimate over the summer? I am sure that I am not alone in noticing the decline in the number of 'fun' or non-official tournaments being hosted over the summer, what with the Tour and the Mixed Tour running every 2nd weekend. People don't seem to want to play 3 weekends in a row, so the weekeds between official tournaments are not used for non-official events. So, if a team gets relegated from Tour 1 and they don't have enough girls to play in the Mixed Tour (and we know there are a distinct lack of girls, seeing as everyone fights to pick-up more girls the days before the tournaments!), they won't get to play again until Tour 4 in late July! This just seems crazy to me. If the Tour is so popular, why can't 2 tournaments be held on the same weekends over the summer, having a top tier (top 32 or so teams?) and a bottom tier (the rest). There could be promotion/relegation between the tournaments, but at least if you get relegated you just go to the other tournament the next month, and are not just excluded. This will provide more tournaments for teams to go to in the year, encourage newer teams and players to come to the Tour, provide some genuine incentive for lower teams to do well and improve as well as giving all teams a truer picture of where they stand in the national rankings (especially if they're not in the top 16). I obviously raise this from a partly selfish point of view as Slipdisc are one of those teams who don't have enough girls to play in the Mixed Tour, so we rely on the open Tour events as pretty much the only tournaments we can get to April to July. This year we will have a 1st and 2nd team, the 1st team will be ok but the 2nd team could well be fighting down in these relegation places. If they do get relegated we'll have around 30 players and only able to enter 1 team, so half our sqaud will have to stay at home. Something needs to be done if there are that many teams out there wanting to play in competitive events. I don't believe it is too late to do this this summer, if the venues can be found, after Tour 1 cut off at the top 24 or 32 teams and run another tournament for the lower teams. Or would this mean less profit for TDs? The "I'm alright, Jack" attitude of the top teams has got to change for the benefit of the rest of us or nothing will have changed at all in the way that the game is run in this Country. Si (Slipdisc) ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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